resistance, withdraw, dissolve

[Hendrik]

Taiji classic said, " not withdraw, not resist" and that is dissolve.


Dissolve is not resist.

Dissolve is not using root or structure to counter the in coming force.

Dissolve is not withdraw.


The sam bai fut section of WCK with the Fook sau push outward cant be dissolve but a totally resistance disregard of it is back by shoulder or muscle or structure or root.....etc.

So what is dissolve?

Who knows this third state beside the general practice of resistance and withdraw?

[jooerduo]

dissolving is clear enough for me

I'm not sure if the conventional shape of the fook sau can actually dissolve at all

[Hendrik]

IMHO,

almost 90% of SLT is incapable of dissolving incoming force today.

in 1850's perhaps 50% is capable of dissolving incoming force.


So, the art has evolved.


As for today,
The fook sau section of SLT /SNT is perfectly train for resistance and withdrawing but not dissolving.

[Vajramusti]

IMHO,



As for today,
The fook sau section of SLT /SNT is perfectly train for resistance and withdrawing but not dissolving.

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Hendrik- are you making your pronouncement for all of wing chun?

joy chaudhuri

[anerlich]

almost 90% of SLT is incapable of dissolving incoming force today.

in 1850's perhaps 50% is capable of dissolving incoming force.


So, the art has evolved.

Well, there's one theory of evolution NOT based on empirical evidence.

[Hendrik]

I am certainly not making pronouncement, that I am not interested at all.

There are key mechanics needed to be able to dissolve incoming force.
I am describing the general System dynamic of today's SLT which lack of this time of mechanics.


If you disagree with me, please
convince me it is different by share with me what is the system dynamics needed and inplace in what you practice. I am certainly open to learn.

[JPinAZ]

IMHO,

almost 90% of SLT is incapable of dissolving incoming force today.

in 1850's perhaps 50% is capable of dissolving incoming force.

So, the art has evolved.

followed later by

does anyone's SLT/SNT train one to have something close to dissolve? if your's does, please shared how do you do it?

Hendrik,

It sounds like from the first post, you already know the answer to your second question. So, can you please share your evidence of what 10% of WCK of today can actually disolve incoming force? Which half from 1850's could? Please enligten us, we shouldn't have to explain it too you if you already know the answer..

[Wayfaring]

Yea, 80% of statistics are made up on the fly too.

IMO, there is not ONE action that can universally be applied to incoming force. Not dissolve, not redirect, not meet head on and overpower, not retreat from or any other action verb.

It all depends on where it is coming from and your relationship to it as to the options that are available.

[k gledhill]

you can dissolve force easily by punching it in the head twice, quickly...no more force it is dissolved ...like the image of the moon the monkey tries to catch on the surface of the water..it has penetrated below the surface and is still, yet the monkey keeps grabbing at it...

[k gledhill]

dissolving is clear enough for me

I'm not sure if the conventional shape of the fook sau can actually dissolve at all

fok sao is a neutral elbow...neither tan /jum/jut etc...relaxed elbow occupying the center loosely ..ie after a strike we recover our arm/elbow back immediately to fok sao 'thinking' relaxed .
The wrist is nothing to do with it, why the hand flops down because there is no energy in the wrist after doing vu sao, the focus is the alignment of the elbow /wrist relative to the c line as it moves out to its position in SLT / centerline training drills.


fok doesnt dissolve if you dont understand the idea being developed you get ambiguous ideas...like standing in a drill doing fok dissolving energy cr&p . Think aggressive, attacking, flowing of techniques.

[jooerduo]

fok sao is a neutral elbow...neither tan /jum/jut etc...relaxed elbow occupying the center loosely ..ie after a strike we recover our arm/elbow back immediately to fok sao 'thinking' relaxed .
The wrist is nothing to do with it, why the hand flops down because there is no energy in the wrist after doing vu sao, the focus is the alignment of the elbow /wrist relative to the c line as it moves out to its position in SLT / centerline training drills.


fok doesnt dissolve if you dont understand the idea being developed you get ambiguous ideas...like standing in a drill doing fok dissolving energy cr&p . Think aggressive, attacking, flowing of techniques.

we need to go back and look at the meaning of the fook sau from chinese writing, and determine if your fook is doing what is intended by the written meaning

there's heaps of lineages out there, so plenty of different ways of doing things

[k gledhill]

Chinese writing is no guarantee of anything its all about the idea your developing....fok sao is simply a neutral elbow in a drilling environment. Trying to make it more that that and your going into the realms of, everything has a hidden use/ meaning ...

Like say...lau sao, the translation is to flip water out of a bucket with a hand /wrist/ twist , like a light spank on your girlfriends butt, with your elbow in....but the translation is meaningless without the WHOLE idea its basking in. Isolate it like "FOK SAO" and you get floppy hand , no idea is mentioned about the elbow development causing the 'fok hand'...SOOO everyone concentrates on the fook hand not the fook elbow, and yes you guessed it misses all that heavenly glory [ I love that film ] and your mind shifts to the wrists, hands, etc...no elbow theory...To much wristing chi-sao will develop a completely different VT fighter.