Hop gar Hung Gar or Choy Lay Fut?

[diego]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygx1XXkg0Qc

Sifu Yan Lam performing Deng Family Hap Gar (Siu Lohan Kuen). Taken from the VCD Xia Jia Quan Xiao Luo Han Quan (VCD) (China Version) 俠家拳 小羅漢拳 (VCD) (中國版).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VQW55fdJxA

chiu chi ling performs the famous tiger crane hung gar set, a virtual encyclopedia of destruction...

I didn't want to post any CLF links because the 3 styles hate each other but I found a good one with little form, heavy basics so we can see the BM without judging the quality of one lineage's dance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGtR22Vxtdk

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SyunNgHung
September 08, 2009


Choy Lee Fut Bagwork

So you have all of these fists, the same stances but some schools lean forward a little bit more or way more according to some CLANS... really though when you anaylze these master clips what is the difference between these styles and how would the similarities enhance a san da/mma fighters repetoire?. did that make sense? like no wonder you don't see gung fu in mma besides all of the really good GF guys are short so the marketing isn't too great compared to a media campaign showcasing a tyson or a hogan...there is twenty variations onthe same freaging Sun Fist which is cool for the grandmaster key holder of the temple but it does **** for the promtion of the chinese martial culture.

What is the difference between the same punches in these three different styles which grew up in the same 'hoods. the same frat's, the same unions etc?.

[SDJerry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygx1XXkg0Qc



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VQW55fdJxA



I didn't want to post any CLF links because the 3 styles hate each other but I found a good one with little form, heavy basics so we can see the BM without judging the quality of one lineage's dance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGtR22Vxtdk




So you have all of these fists, the same stances but some schools lean forward a little bit more or way more according to some CLANS... really though when you anaylze these master clips what is the difference between these styles and how would the similarities enhance a san da/mma fighters repetoire?. did that make sense? like no wonder you don't see gung fu in mma besides all of the really good GF guys are short so the marketing isn't too great compared to a media campaign showcasing a tyson or a hogan...there is twenty variations onthe same freaging Sun Fist which is cool for the grandmaster key holder of the temple but it does **** for the promtion of the chinese martial culture.

What is the difference between the same punches in these three different styles which grew up in the same 'hoods. the same frat's, the same unions etc?.

You won't see any kungfu in mma if you are expecting to see the techniques played like they are in the forms. Every technique has a classical and practical application. You can use the hands in mma, you just keep everything in tighter. The concepts still work

[diego]

You won't see any kungfu in mma if you are expecting to see the techniques played like they are in the forms. Every technique has a classical and practical application. You can use the hands in mma, you just keep everything in tighter. The concepts still work

Don't get me wrong I'm not sad that you don't see flying side kicks in a cage match because i mean imo it's a good idea to presume that what you see on tv is stuff on tv...

However it would be nice if instead of having say ten thousand southern schools that practise these fists privatly to unite and make a proper standard southern wu shu fighting style based on the main families...they did this in the 60's and 70's with nan quan I wonder why the PRC hasn't brought these forms to tv to gain international recognition...especially during the recent olympics.

[David Jamieson]

I don't agree that you won't see kungfu in mma.

overhand strikes are basically charp choi

gwa sao is a dropping backfist

den choy is a swinging backfist

ping choy is a jab as is yut gi choy and both are crosses as well

sow choy is a hook when tight and a haymaker when large.

special names aside, punching is punching, kicking is kicking, locking is locking and throwing is throwing.

saying something is this or that in context to mma is moot.

mma draws from any style.

[SDJerry]

Thought you might enjoy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tI-mqCJVo4

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about He uses the principles of his art, but it doesn't look like a baqua form.

[k-no]

David,

I understand what you're trying to say in spirit, but your terminology is a bit confused. It'll just misinform those who are disinformed.

For instance, an overhand strike is "just a charp choi"? In what way is it even remotely like a charp choi, unless the foreknuckles were used?

k

[SDJerry]

I don't agree that you won't see kungfu in mma.

overhand strikes are basically charp choi

gwa sao is a dropping backfist

den choy is a swinging backfist

ping choy is a jab as is yut gi choy and both are crosses as well

sow choy is a hook when tight and a haymaker when large.

special names aside, punching is punching, kicking is kicking, locking is locking and throwing is throwing.

saying something is this or that in context to mma is moot.

mma draws from any style.

I think you might have misunderstood me. I simply meant that if you were expecting the techniques to look exactly as they do in the sets... you'll have a hard time finding them. You are absolutely correct in the fact that it's all in there... but the practical applications often look different than the form counterparts.

An ox horn is basically an overhand but the angles are different when fighting verses throwing it while stepping into a bow stance like at the end of tiger crane. Does that make sense? I can see where someone might have a hard time seeing techniques if they were looking for the latter.

Another example and this is just my opinion... when Rashad Evans knocked out Chuck, it looked to me like he was using wood hand. He hit him with a hook but the part of the fist that connected was the same as if you were knocking on a door. To me, that's wood.

I'm not saying he had that techinque in mind, I'm sure it's a hook to him, but I saw a technique there. It definitely worked too!

[Jimbo]

I've seen several K.O.'s where the punch in question looked exactly like kup choy, but of course to the fighter it was an overhand right. Other K.O. punches have appeared the same as cheong ngan choy, full sow choy, and dot choy (spinning back fist). Not only resembling said punches in appearance, but in the approach/setup as well. I put that down to, simply, what works works, regardless of what it's called.