Is Southern Praying Mantis the same style as "phoenix eye fist" kung fu/Chukka?

[LaterthanNever]

I've heard of "phoenix eye fist" kung fu and I've heard of Southern praying mantis. Somewhere I read that Southern Praying mantis doesn't have any trademarks of actual Tang Lang, but is instead the same as "Phoenix eye fist kung fu". Can someone fill me in? Thanks...

LTN

[5thBrother]

Hi

Been a few threads on that over the years I think, try search function and should bring up that info as well

[sanjuro_ronin]

Chuka = Chu Gar Southern Mantis, the one in Donn Draeger's book is a branch of Chu gar.

[LaterthanNever]

All I get is 2 responses? Maybe if I asked "Is Southern Praying mantis the same as Shaolin-Do", I'd get a reply...

[Yum Cha]

To the best of my basic, somewhat casual understanding, yes it is a style in the Southern Praying Mantis group.

I've always noticed that this Chukka seems somehow different, maybe a romanisation on Chow Gar / Chu Gar, which are more mainstream SPM, or maybe a romanisation of Hakka, referring to the race of people?

I'm sure the chinese characters would clear that up to someone who could read them.

Phoenix eye fist is common in that group of styles, family styles from southern China, many with Hakka roots.

So, like you, I've noticed it seems to be presented a little differently, but I reckon it comes from the same stuff as SPM, more of less.

That's about the best I can offer.

[AdrianK]

Somewhere I read that Southern Praying mantis doesn't have any trademarks of actual Tang Lang

Its very efficient and from what I've experienced of northern mantis, it has little in common with it.

As for the "actual" tang lang, neither is "actual", one came from the north, one from the south. They are what they are and I don't believe they have any common ancestry.