wu sau position with ur bong sau

[k gledhill]

whats about this short lateral ginenergy when we perform chi sao.....
.... Does we could say bong sao have a kind of spiral energy forward and lateral depending on the application could be used like a jam ,a deflection or a block (emergency situation)

bong elbow goes up, wrist crosses the strike/centerline, fingers point to bicep's....sharp action, then bring elbow back to inwards angle to strike...., repeat 1000's of times and it becomes a simple action .
NO forward spiral energy....remember your attacking forwards, any energy you direct forwards is meeting force...

think of the bong saos energy as a conveyor belt traveling left to right and vice versa....in front of you, any wrist energy that touches it goes laterally to open a strike line up
....if you try to put energy on the conveyor belt it takes the energy sideways, no matter how strong ....

guys who use incorrect wristing forwards energy will easily be opened up...

if you apply the same energy while sparring using the bong sao, it will 'slap' strikes sideways for you all on its own ...allowing you to strike quickly while facing the guy, not turning away to do bong then back again...too slow.

[bennyvt]

whether you do it because you are collapsing or any other of the hundreds you could end up in a bong sao, the bong sao has to block while doing anything with the other hand. All other moves can be turned into an attack while still moving forward. The bong blocks the strike so you can hit with the other hand or complety change direction and start a new attack with the bong sao arm. Normally bringing the elbow into punch. This seems to come down to the whole idea of no blocks in vt. Well the punch blocks. A fuk sao blocks but also should attack. I tend to class something that can only block stuff as a pure block. You still attack while blocking but anytime you stop the attack with your arms or legs whether you attack as well you are still blocking.

[k gledhill]

I like to think of bong 'energy' as a parry, like pak etc....only you dont have the time or position to use the arm in any other way than bong sao....
the lateral 'slapping' force can spin guys off their line of attack easily when they dont expect it and are giving an uncontrolled line of force towards you...just like a pak energy...

Jum strikes have the same lateral energy as pak sao, only the jum strike simultaneously incorporates the 'pak' lateral energy in its forearm, as the strike goes forwards...in one smooth striking action....developed in 2 stages doing dan chi sao drills ...elbow in , then strike..becoming one strike later...the drill then becoming redundant iow you dont fight in the same 1-2 manner

Tans energy is from the elbow 'leaving' the line in a similar 'slapping' force , as the strike goes forwards....tan is developed using your partners jum energy to try and displace his attempts to displace you...energy v energy of elbows and strike alignment in a drill....

combine the inwards energy of jum striking and deflecting with the cycling opposite strike as you attack , tan and the 2 strikes generate force in one flanking direction as each strikes forwards....only because you have the dual force in each striking arm alone..
you dont need 2 hands to fight across one ....iow you dont have to over trap becasue the lead strike cant do 2 jobs at once at a basic level...

• left jum strike energy , right tan strike energy -> -> <- <- L tan " " + R jum " "
• left bong energy > < right bong energy
• left pak > < right pak

so if your on one side or the other you dont leave the centerline as you strike, you simply change the energy of the forearms etc...and move your centerline to get an angle , tactically on the guy...you spent hours developing the natural energy of your strikes to close the guy down from either side, seamlessly with little thought but to hit him as many times as it takes...no moves

try getting a partner to put an arm out 1/2 to 2/3rds extended at you...get an angle on them to strike them, you should be close enough to make contact on their right or left pec as the target to hit without injuring them in the ensuing trial and error ....try to use the tans elbow to displce the guys arm as you contact his pec with a fist...2 actions...displace his arm sideways with a short sharp punching action AND slap his arm away with the tans natural elbow leaving the line ...

then repeat using the jum strike...you will have to move an inch or two to use either strike , here you see the reason for the dummy having both tan & jum [sidepalm] becasue you dont know which will be the right one, so we do both...

I digress.... use the inwards energy of the jums forearms while keeping the elbow inwards to displace the partners arm as the tan strike just did...

each strike will take the place of the others energy iow you will keep the guys arm trapped using either strike as you attack and rechamber the rear hand to fire again..

you dont have to worry about looking for the guys arm to function either , just hit with low elbows and shift angle etc... if they make contact THEN you deal with it from chi-sao etc...

the partner can use sudden removal of their arm to see if your chasing it to deflect with little impact force....later counter striking your strike to see if your mind focus shifted to hitting and not dual force...iow he will easily move your elbow out and hit your chest swapping hits....

etc....welcome to the world of WSL

tan/jum sao dont leave the strike/centerline ...

" let the guy move and he will show you what to do....YIP MAN"

[wtxs]

Pronounciation of "Yip" in Cantonese is correct, since Chinese has no alphabets, an equivalent sounding structure is represented. The so call "word" translation to English are done by using the Mandarin dialect, phonetically that where the "I" sound comes to be. My last name can be pronounced as Lau, Lew, Lao, Lai...

[Steeeve]

Well

I like WSL method.....

Does we could say than the Chum Kiu is a bong sao form the three sextion of this form used the bong like the main techniques....3 different ways....bong sao with turning ...bong sao with advanced step....and low bong....

does the bong is the bridge

[k gledhill]

there is only 'bong'...no high, low, middle, half high, 3/4 low etc.....only matters where your arm is to theirs when you wan to hit them

the stances in ck are to allow parrallel attacking shadow attack....turning is only to face them at angles...movement combined with that in mind...not to turn energy using bong etc...common misunderstanding from wrong bong use...staright forwards attacking is done from flank/sides, as dummy etc....once you turn them or they turn themselves enter lesad leg either one....not in front of them like u see on you tube then your just asking to be ko'ed

[bennyvt]

parry is another name for block isn't it. I call bong the jesus block as when suprised you go 'jesus' and throw a bong. It should never be planned. Either you so slow that bjj the other notes are to slow or when throwing an attack and it is pushed so far you can't redirect it. The whole idea me using it as a straight block when a punch is thrown is when the attack is so close that the elbow is the nearest joint as bringing the hand up is too slow. But yeh only one bong done at the level you need it. But he it gets too high you need to be close or a different move should have been used.

[k gledhill]

the key word is deflection....like two cars that sideswipe each other , glancing off from the sides of the cars hitting each other as they come head on...not force suddenly stops force dead in its tracks...that is for the fists the fists are the head on force, the forearms the glancing displacement....
By developing short levers ..tan..jum...jut...bong...etc.. we get low elbows angled and controlled to have this natural action...the system re-enforces it throughout ...elbows , elbows and wrist alignment , dummy arm cycling....

deflecting angles of forearms and fists , using the movement of the opponent and your ck angling to achieve tactical angles and constant attacking ....

the basic strikes in a lot of guys is lacking the duality of strike/deflect in one beat becasue many are taught to use 2 hands for everything or worse , wristing actions , making one beat dual action strikes impossible...
So rather than 2 striking arms in rotation EACH trained to have the ability to act as 2 hands ...alone in fast rotation attacking ...
instead they use a pak and da, a tan and a da, a lop and a ...da no da da and if they do da.... it is a silly chain punch with no elbow idea/deflection involved, rather they do fast hands and straight line attacks that can easily be thwarted...good word thwarted ; )

[Steeeve]

if i understood your for the deflection and strike with the same arm.....using the footwork
does the chum kiu bridging inthe yipmanstyle is the bong sao....a lot of bong sao in this form

[k gledhill]

ck shows how to recover the bridge....aka how to end the fight asap...

the deflection energy of the bong is done as you face , not as you turn...you only turn to face the strike angles...attack along them using the combination of ck ..

because the opponent/s can move randomly , we have to be able to face their movement while still striking them, without taking our strikes offline ...why we do symmetrical arm actions along the centerline/striking line.

each arm is trained to strike with the inside and outside of the forearms using the elbow angles...in SLT....make a strike line the wrists intersect, making the centerline impenetrable at angles to it...if you use two extended hands along the c line, it allows possible traps and stopping your attacks...

by developing individual striking arms that can become either jum or tan by simply facing different angles you see the idea....the strikes dont need to leave the line to chase , just aim and fire using the inbuilt deflections ....

dan chi starts the rpocess, but becomes redundant ...no longer using 2 beat strikes of elbow in then hit [jum] elbow in then spreads out as it hits [ tan ] ....we only face squarely in basic stances to train each other...using opposite arm energy to develop the other er...arm !

chi-sao develops striking distances using the now 1 beat striking...adding angling counters and attacking angles iow motion and attack angles....many dont do this level and stay facin g in a basic stance doing rolling wrists chasing games...ego tag.


in the ck the wu sao iz by zee bicep because after the bong has done its thing and the elbow starts to drop, the vu can fire out as a tan energy/elbow spreading strike, matching the previous lateral direction energy of the bong ...by the strike already xing the centerline at the wrists [why u do it so much in ck] ....anything in the path of the centerline will be intersected by your striking arm....if the wu is on the center its possible that you can miss along the line....this line intersection is the basis of the 'non thinking' attack ability....

you simply fire along the line..nothing there, you hit..."when the hand is free....strike out"

[bennyvt]

i totally agree. Great post and explanation. .

[Steeeve]

Thank you Mr k gledhill

U rock

[k gledhill]

u r velcome