Shaolin vs. Muay Thai

**Pork Chop** · 12-19-2009, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by goju

well of course no one fought out of a horse stance those are used to train in forms not to fight lol

okay did anybody use any of their forms?
no
they threw standard san shou techniques
san shou != shaolin
my background is in san shou and i still do it
this was advertised as "shaolin" but "shaolin" seems to have sent san shou in it's steed; in which case I have absolutely no reason to "cry into my pillow".

Still some really phony bs going on in these fights though; at least the 3 I saw.

I trust the events held in Thailand much more.
In Thailand, it's not about national interests (as in the case for China), it's all betting interests, which has the odd side effect of evening things out & preventing such favoritism.

**goju** · 12-19-2009, 06:42 PM

you cant use a form to fight someone bubba LOL

well ill have to watch them myself there were alot of people saying the lui hailong matches with the thai fighters were set up so the thais had some of there tools taken away from them but i sure as hell didnt see what they were talking about

**Pork Chop** · 12-19-2009, 07:55 PM

so then you're saying shaolin people who only do forms and gungs can't fight?

and yeah, padding up the elbow takes a lot off of it, plus if u watch, the ref only breaks the clinch early if the Thai has the dominant position.

**goju** · 12-19-2009, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

so then you're saying shaolin people who only do forms and gungs can't fight?

and yeah, padding up the elbow takes a lot off of it, plus if u watch, the ref only breaks the clinch early if the Thai has the dominant position.

ive never seen or met a person who only did forms

if there are any out there i feel sorry for them

thats bollocks thats like saying padding up the fist takes alot out of it you cans till knock someone down or out with a padded elbow

**Pork Chop** · 12-19-2009, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by goju

ive never seen or met a person who only did forms
if there are any out there i feel sorry for them

Those guys who fought trained very similar to the Thais, with heavybags, sparring, noncompliant clinch work, and drills. The only differences were in technique and more emphasis on takedown work.
They did not train compliant partner training, forms, gungs, and iron palm work.
They did not hold static postures, they did not wake up every morning to do qigong work, nobody pulled off any intricate application from a form, and they did not even work bridging.
They were san shou guys and I'm intimately familiar with san shou training.
You're being real cute with semantics, but i promise you that they do not train what anybody would think of as "shaolin".

thats bollocks thats like saying padding up the fist takes alot out of it you cans till knock someone down or out with a padded elbow

different situation than fists
you're not as likely to crack a bone throwing a bare elbow as you are with fists
the range on it's much shorter too
and yes, some guys will try to end fights on cuts from elbows
of course, i'm always available for demonstration - you can let me know what feels worse, my padded elbow cracking your skull, or my bare one...

**Xiao3 Meng4** · 12-19-2009, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

you can let me know what feels worse, my padded elbow cracking your skull, or my bare one...

Done correctly, you'd probably have to wait for him to wake up both times... might be a moot point, might not.

**goju** · 12-19-2009, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

Those guys who fought trained very similar to the Thais, with heavybags, sparring, noncompliant clinch work, and drills. The only differences were in technique and more emphasis on takedown work.
They did not train compliant partner training, forms, gungs, and iron palm work.
They did not hold static postures, they did not wake up every morning to do qigong work, nobody pulled off any intricate application from a form, and they did not even work bridging.
They were san shou guys and I'm intimately familiar with san shou training.
You're being real cute with semantics, but i promise you that they do not train what anybody would think of as "shaolin".

well first off are you certain that they do not train any of this?

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

different situation than fists
you're not as likely to crack a bone throwing a bare elbow as you are with fists
the range on it's much shorter too
and yes, some guys will try to end fights on cuts from elbows
of course, i'm always available for demonstration - you can let me know what feels worse, my padded elbow cracking your skull, or my bare one...

actually ALOT of guys throw elbows soley for the purpose of cutting someone open so i can see why its padded after all its a pretty pathetic way to win a fight

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

Ti'm always available for demonstration - you can let me know what feels worse, my padded elbow cracking your skull, or my bare one...

lol easy there killer

**LFJ** · 12-19-2009, 08:55 PM

wait.. i dont think anyone was saying these guys were from shaolin. didnt shaolin turn down the challenge?

there's just the one guy that they say is a shaolin disciple, but apparently no one ever said he was until after this fight.

doesnt matter though, since they were sanda fighters, not traditionalists in any way.

**goju** · 12-19-2009, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by LFJ

wait.. i dont think anyone was saying these guys were from shaolin. didnt shaolin turn down the challenge?

there's just the one guy that they say is a shaolin disciple, but apparently no one ever said he was until after this fight.

doesnt matter though, since they were sanda fighters, not traditionalists in any way.

exactly i thought another kung fu organization took up the challenge

**Pork Chop** · 12-19-2009, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by goju

well first off are you certain that they do not train any of this?

yes, i've got quite a lot of mainland chinese training footage
some's even available through martialartsmart.com

**goju** · 12-19-2009, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

yes, i've got quite a lot of mainland chinese training footage
some's even available through martialartsmart.com

yes and thats just a bit of theirtraining who knows what they do

**Pork Chop** · 12-19-2009, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by goju

yes and thats just a bit of theirtraining who knows what they do

never been to a fight camp, have yah?

**goju** · 12-19-2009, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

never been to a fight camp, have yah?

actually i just doubt you know enough about these gentlemen to make the statements you have including your knowledge of all of what they ve studied

watching a few clips doesnt do much

**Pork Chop** · 12-20-2009, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by goju

actually i just doubt you know enough about these gentlemen to make the statements you have including your knowledge of all of what they ve studied

watching a few clips doesnt do much

i'm not talking a few clips, i'm talking first hand video
my main san shou coach fought san shou in China on tv
i also used to train with SanHeChuan's coach, who's from Taiwan and fought in China on tv
both of them have trained over there for varying lengths of time.

but hey, if you think they spent any significant amount of their time doing qigong, forms, compliant partner drills, stance training, bridging, iron palm, or other gungs, don't stop drinking that koolaid.

**Pork Chop** · 12-20-2009, 11:37 AM

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