Shaolin vs. Muay Thai

[goju]

i'm not talking a few clips, i'm talking first hand video
my main san shou coach fought san shou in China on tv
i also used to train with SanHeChuan's coach, who's from Taiwan and fought in China on tv
both of them have trained over there for varying lengths of time.

but hey, if you think they spent any significant amount of their time doing qigong, forms, compliant partner drills, stance training, bridging, iron palm, or other gungs, don't stop drinking that koolaid.

yes again im not denying they trained san shou or particularly care if you did san shou or not but you still dont know the extent of the fighters training

i twas a kickboxing match of course theya re going to train kickboxing for it

thats a big duh

[Pork Chop]

yes again im not denying they trained san shou or particularly care if you did san shou or not but you still dont know the extent of the fighters training

i guess if that .00001% of doubt validates your training, then go for it.

[goju]

i guess if that .00001% of doubt validates your training, then go for it.

uh yeah whatever you say...........

[GeneChing]

...it's a bit sensationalist, but elicited some good discussion here...

Kung Fu vs Muay Thai
2009-12-21 14:22

Is Chinese Kung Fu or Muay Thai better?

Chinese Kung Fu supporters will say Kung Fu is profound and invincible; while Muay Thai supporters will say Muay Thai is fast, ruthless and unbeatable.

Which is the strongest then? It is meaningless to boast. It is best to put them on a ring.

And this time, five Muay Thai boxers is going to challenge Chinese Kung Fu.

The contest will be held in Foshan, Guangdong.

xxx

BN and Pakatan Rakyat have long been confronting with each other, digging out one another's weaknesses.

BN said that Pakatan Rakyat's component parties are having their own axes to grind and they are lack of political experience.

Pakatan Rakyat said that there are political deviations in BN's rule. BN is having poor performance and it is unable to unite the people and improve the economy.

They have pointed out the vital points but failed to highlight their own capabilities.

Finally, BN introduced 110 National Key Results Areas (NKRAs) and 240 Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) to promote the government's transformation.

To show its sincerity, it showed the public the agendas and plans, inviting the people to give feedback.

Pakatan Rakyat also launched its “Dasar Pakatan Rakyat”, presenting the three parties' common agenda to show that Pakatan Rakyat is having a consistent central idea and a governing idea of compatibility.

In addition, it also showed that Pakatan Rakyat is ready to move towards Putrajaya and become the federal government.

xxx

For martial arts fans, it is worth looking forward to the contest between Chinese Kung Fu and Muay Thai.

Chinese Kung Fu must get rid of the impression of fancied postures and Jackie Chan's gags.

Meanwhile, Muay Thai must also get rid of its rashness.

Both of them have to show their true capabilities to prove their actual strength and values.

More importantly, only with genuine contact, there would be contrast and they can find their own shortcomings to improve their capabilities.

xxx

Malaysian people want BN and Pakatan Rakyat to show their true strength so that the public can choose between them.

BN's strength lies in its governing experience and administrative resources.

From NKRAs and KPIs, BN tries to understand the people's dissatisfaction with the government, as well as the serious problems faced by the country. They identify the deficiencies and try to overcome or improve it.

Pakatan Rakyat's strength lies in its political ideas and the public's expectations on it.

Pakatan Rakyat's platform lists moral power such as political equity, social justice and economic equality.

xxx

Chinese Kung Fu can learn the speed and accuracy of Muay Thai; while Muay Thai can learn the flexibility and energy of Chinese Kung Fu.

BN can learn the valuable ideas of Pakatan Rakyat; while Pakatan Rakyat can learn the ruling experience of BN.

Finally, both the parties may contest on a fair platform and let the people to make the final decision. (By TAY TIAN YAN/Translated by SOONG PHUI JEE/Sin Chew Daily)

[Hugo]

well of course no one fought out of a horse stance those are used to train in forms not to fight lol

of course some Shaolin Master can use the horse stance to fight!! Were do you read that it can not be used?

PS. about the video i dont think that is the shaolin they use to train everyday in the temple

that is only sanda and sanda is like thai boxing, i guess they had take these sanda moves from the thai land!!

[Lucas]

there is that article in the newest issue of this mag about that chinese san shou champion, 30 years in san shou. he talks about doing all that stuff, static postures, qi gongs, forms, all of it.

read it up, its a great article.

of course he trained full time 7 days a week for many years....so, i guess you need side projects, why not make them things that also give an edge to a martial artist.

doing forms beats watching tv any day of the week.

dont believe me? ask a fat american.

[GeneChing]

That's in 30 Years of Sanshou: A Conversation with Chinese National Champion Zhou Lizhong By Emilio Alpanseque in our 2010 January/February issue, on the newsstands now, just in case you're wondering.

[Lucas]

i sure as heck wouldnt want to fight that guy...

[Frost]

ive never seen or met a person who only did forms

if there are any out there i feel sorry for them

thats bollocks thats like saying padding up the fist takes alot out of it you cans till knock someone down or out with a padded elbow

total bull padding the fist helps as the bones of the hand are small and can break easily so you can hit harder with pads on, elbows in Thai are used to cut as well as knock out and padding takes away the cut and hitting with the hard bone that is the jarring shot

on a side note is anyone really surprised that chinese officals were cheating in china based competition?

[Frost]

i guess if that .00001% of doubt validates your training, then go for it.

their is nothing like areguing a stupid point is there

Goju Good god can’t you just admit you got owned by pork chop…..you argued for pages he had no idea about how sanda guys actually train in china, and then he produced video proof of how they trained and how his coaches both from the east and pro fighters trained, just admit you are wrong

[Dragonzbane76]

god forbid someone is ever wrong on the interwebs...

[Iron_Eagle_76]

So let me get this straight. The chinese guy wins (the first fight) fighting under Sanda rules, but of course the tradionalists say he is Shaolin. No horse stance, no bridging, decent spinning backfist, but what I saw was simply Sanda vs. Muay Thai. What is it with the whole deception about shi**tty styles putting up Sanda fighters and than claiming them as their own. I understand the concept, it is to legitimize their style as producing good fighters. But Sanda, even though any chinese style using freestyle or full contact can be associated with it, has become more of it's own style and does not need Shaolin or any other sheep herding art to make it legitimate. More BS propaganda.

[Pork Chop]

there is that article in the newest issue of this mag about that chinese san shou champion, 30 years in san shou. he talks about doing all that stuff, static postures, qi gongs, forms, all of it.

read it up, its a great article.

of course he trained full time 7 days a week for many years....so, i guess you need side projects, why not make them things that also give an edge to a martial artist.

doing forms beats watching tv any day of the week.

dont believe me? ask a fat american.

i've done a healthy amount of that stuff as well
and i go back to it on occasion when i'm burnt out on more pure fighting stuff
but on the same token, that's the first stuff to disappear when i'm training for a fight
(the stances & forms more than the pure breathing exercises)

EDIT: There IS a sanshou "form" that my one of my coaches has taught me, but it's more of a really long combo that's used for grading/ranking purposes.

[Lucas]

EDIT: There IS a sanshou "form" that my one of my coaches has taught me, but it's more of a really long combo that's used for grading/ranking purposes.

that seems to be kind of the norm, usually a form developed by the coach themselves. although from what ive seen its not what most people picture as a form.

[goju]

total bull padding the fist helps as the bones of the hand are small and can break easily so you can hit harder with pads on, elbows in Thai are used to cut as well as knock out and padding takes away the cut and hitting with the hard bone that is the jarring shot

on a side note is anyone really surprised that chinese officals were cheating in china based competition?

you can still knock someone senseless with a padded elbow

you cant cut them true but thats a good thing