Global Warming-Do you believe it is real?

[1bad65]

What I find amazing is that Neo Teabaggers want absolutely no govt regulation when it comes to pollution......that is unless someone is polluting a quarter mile from their house!

These people should visit other parts of the world where no pollution control exist.....they should drink from the local rivers and lakes there.

Actually areas ran by Socialists/Communists are the worst, yet the US is always the targets of environmentalists who are often socialists themselves.

Look at the 'Black Forests' of the USSR. Remember how nasty the air was in Beijing when the Olympics were on. When we had nuclear issues, we were open about them. Gorbachev hid the Chernobyl meltdown until he needed help. Of course he got a Nobel Prize though.

[Xiao3 Meng4]

Actually areas ran by Socialists/Communists are the worst, yet the US is always the targets of environmentalists who are often socialists themselves.

Greenpeace protests all environmental destruction, no matter what country. Generally, they'll be louder regarding developed countries, because developed countries have the resources available to initiate change. If Greenpeace were to, say, protest "flying port-a-potties" (going to the bathroom in a plastic bag and then throwing it into the street) in war-torn, rural Africa, it would be a fruitless endeavour since there are no resources available to curb the practice.

Look at the 'Black Forests' of the USSR. Remember how nasty the air was in Beijing when the Olympics were on. When we had nuclear issues, we were open about them. Gorbachev hid the Chernobyl meltdown until he needed help. Of course he got a Nobel Prize though.

Politics trumped environmentalism during the Cold War. In the race for ideological supremacy, pollution wasn't seen as an arena of significance. In fact, caring about pollution ran the risk of lagging behind in economic and industrial development, and the fragile Soviet Union couldn't afford a political environmental crisis, especially a Nuclear one such as Chernobyl.

Today, the cold war is over. There isn't much reason (besides personal comfort) to avoid environmental stewardship or assisting developing nations to grow through green economies. Even China, whose economic and industrial development is raging, and whose pollution I have seen firsthand, is not blind to environmental issues. Yes, they have serious issues. Yes, they have few standards. But they're aware, and they're progressing. So is India.

The Green economy is the new economy. Those who join it will prosper; those who fight it will not.

[1bad65]

The Green economy is the new economy. Those who join it will prosper; those who fight it will not.

You may be right. But if you are, it will not be because of science, it will be because of politics.

[Lee Chiang Po]

Global warming in this instance is not really a cycle. Cycles take forever, not just a man's lifetime. This research is new. Never before in our worlds history has it been done, so there will be holes in the research that get filled in, then it is learned it is not accurate so gets tossed out. Sometimes a theory gets off on the wrong track, and then you have to stop and start again, tossing that out too. No one knows exactly why and how, but it is seeming to happen. People in Alaska know it is for real. One look at antarctica says it is real. Glaciers are disappearing too. This can be triggered by fallout of filth in the air that eventually comes down. A thin layer over ice will make it melt quickly. The cold fresh water entering the seas will not mix with the warmer salt waters very easily, and the warm is pushed down to the equater. El Nino effect all the time. Then of course the seas in the north and south become colder, and look what that did to the UK last winter. Flash froze them. I live in Texas. It is nothing to see 110 degrees here where I live. I have seen 119 degrees. In the past several years it seldom hit 100. And we have had more cold, freezing weather than we have had in years. It used to freeze and have snow or ice storms every year. Not any more. But last year and this year it has gotten cold. However, if you were to take the highs and lows of each and every day and add them together, then divid them again by 365 days, I think you would see a higher average temp. Just a few degrees really. In Alaska the permafrost is melting deeper, and it is not freezing back as deep. This has caused miles and miles of utility poles to fall over. Houses and building are sort of sinking is some places. It still hits 40 and 60 below, but it has been not much colder there than here in the past few weeks.
You can sit on the side of a freeway in any major city and watch an endless line of cars come by, 4 and 5 abreast, almost 24 hours a day. All burning carbon based fuels. This is just one tiny location. Multiply that by hundreds or even thousands of time in a major city. Then look at the number of major cities in this country alone. Then the entire world. Over Dallas, Texas there is a big black mushroom cloud over it every morning and every evening at rush hours. This stuff is lifting upward toward the sky. All the other mini ice ages we have knowledge of were caused by volcano activity mostly, and we can see the effect of it. Today we have a volcano erupting very subtly all over the world, so we are not seeing a dramatic effect of it, but it will eventually cause catastrophic results. This includes not only automobile exhaust, but trains, thousands of airliners, factories everywhere in huge numbers, forest fires, oil fires, and it goes on and on. I think it is time that someone take this serious rather than just stand and yell conspiracy. You have to ask yourself. What in the world is expected to be gained by yelling global warming if it was not really happening?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Bunch of tree hugging hippes.

[Xiao3 Meng4]

You may be right. But if you are, it will not be because of science, it will be because of politics.

Without question. With luck, the politics will be advised by Science.

[1bad65]

Never before in our worlds history has it been done, so there will be holes in the research that get filled in, then it is learned it is not accurate so gets tossed out. Sometimes a theory gets off on the wrong track, and then you have to stop and start again, tossing that out too.

You need to research the topic.

The scientists threw out the REAL TEMP data for decades. They kept the temp data they manipulated. Let's be honest here, you can't see this and say something is not amiss.

And fyi, the scientists admitted this.

[1bad65]

Again, I'm still waiting for anyone to show me where simply tossing out decades of germane data is an accepted scientific practice.....

[Xiao3 Meng4]

Science has an illustrious history of discarding data that it thinks is poorly collected (it also has a history of keeping it, so... ). Ever since the Scientific Revolution started, it's just been one long string of discovery x making the methods used in discipline w unacceptable, then redoing all the research with discovery x in mind... until discovery y comes along, that is. And then the whole thing happens again. And again. And again. It's a wonder we've progressed at all, really... thank goodness for inventors and necessity.

[Drake]

You need to research the topic.

The scientists threw out the REAL TEMP data for decades. They kept the temp data they manipulated. Let's be honest here, you can't see this and say something is not amiss.

And fyi, the scientists admitted this.

Did you actually read the story, or only what the news is telling you? Because if you did, I doubt you'd be so hardheaded about this.

It blows my mind that you think we are not affecting our environment.

[uki]

go start pooping in the woods drake... that's better for the enviroment than using a toilet...

global warming is a man-made scam folks. A MAN-MADE SCAM!!!

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[uki]

actions speak louder than words...

On a normal day, Majken Friss Jorgensen, managing director of Copenhagen's biggest limousine company, says her firm has twelve vehicles on the road. During the "summit to save the world", which opens here tomorrow, she will have 200.

"We thought they were not going to have many cars, due to it being a climate convention," she says. "But it seems that somebody last week looked at the weather report."

Ms Jorgensen reckons that between her and her rivals the total number of limos in Copenhagen next week has already broken the 1,200 barrier. The French alone rang up on Thursday and ordered another 42. "We haven't got enough limos in the country to fulfil the demand," she says. "We're having to drive them in hundreds of miles from Germany and Sweden."

And the total number of electric cars or hybrids among that number? "Five," says Ms Jorgensen. "The government has some alternative fuel cars but the rest will be petrol or diesel. We don't have any hybrids in Denmark, unfortunately, due to the extreme taxes on those cars. It makes no sense at all, but it's very Danish."

The airport says it is expecting up to 140 extra private jets during the peak period alone, so far over its capacity that the planes will have to fly off to regional airports – or to Sweden – to park, returning to Copenhagen to pick up their VIP passengers.

As well 15,000 delegates and officials, 5,000 journalists and 98 world leaders, the Danish capital will be blessed by the presence of Leonardo DiCaprio, Daryl Hannah, Helena Christensen, Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Prince Charles. A Republican US senator, Jim Inhofe, is jetting in at the head of an anti-climate-change "Truth Squad." The top hotels – all fully booked at £650 a night – are readying their Climate Convention menus of (no doubt sustainable) scallops, foie gras and sculpted caviar wedges.

surely these so called global warming delegates have got to set a better example for the common folks to follow, eh?? hahahahahahaha!!!!!

it's a scam folks.

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[Drake]

Just because we have people behaving as morons doesn't make global warming any less real. Again, can anyone scientifically refute that dumping tons of hydrocarbons into the atmosphere has absolutely no effect?

And just an FYI, dignitiaries, politicians, and celebrities are notorious for being utterly disconnected with reality.

[uki]

Again, can anyone scientifically refute that dumping tons of hydrocarbons into the atmosphere has absolutely no effect?

nothing worse than a small volcanic burp... LOL... people have really lost sight of reality.

And just an FYI, dignitiaries, politicians, and celebrities are notorious for being utterly disconnected with reality.

aye mate... the point i was attempting to make here... they are disconnected from reality with their global warming hoax.

[Drake]

nothing worse than a small volcanic burp... LOL... people have really lost sight of reality.
aye mate... the point i was attempting to make here... they are disconnected from reality with their global warming hoax.

So then it's ok, since multiple volcanic eruptions, giant meteor strikes, and the Moon crashing into the Earth are worse?