Record low approval numbers for Obama

[1bad65]

But because I figured you would believe that Christianity promotes Charity and within the modern context it does, I was attempting to use your own arguments against you. Since you believe your religion says should be charitable, that you should be more charitable.

Says who? You? Do you know how much I give? Do you know how much money I earn?

Just because it has one or more redeeming qualities doesn’t mean the rest is good and I should embrace it.

And you will see that nowhere did I say you should embrace it. I simply pointed out Christianity does call for charity, while pointing out it does call for people who can work to work and not rely on others. Sanjuro pointed this out as well.

[1bad65]

“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple." Doesn't really sell me on family values.

The bible seems to consistently demand that you put your faith before your children. That doesn't really vibe with today’s values where a parent is expected to sacrifice anything and everything for their children, even their soul.

For someone who accuses me of "editing", that first paragraph sure is strange. What Bible verse is that? Is it the full verse? What is the context?

[SanHeChuan]

Why can't we give just to give?

Who christian's? Apparently in the NT you have to give out of love or it doesn't count.

To those in need I hardly think it matter why you give.

For someone who accuses me of "editing", that first paragraph sure is strange. What Bible verse is that? Is it the full verse? What is the context?

Luke 14:25-27

[sanjuro_ronin]

Who christian's? Apparently in the NT you have to give out of love or it doesn't count.

Actually, the NT teaches us that giving with the thought of recompense won't get you anywhere with God in terms of salvation, for he has given his grace freely through Jesus Christ his son.

[1bad65]

Actually, the NT teaches us that giving with the thought of recompense won't get you anywhere with God in terms of salvation, for he has given his grace freely through Jesus Christ his son.

Thank you.

His ignorance concerning Christianity is obvious. Of course that won't stop him from slamming it constantly.

[1bad65]

“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple." Doesn't really sell me on family values.

Luke 14:25-27

Actually you did indeed edit it. After accusing me of editing when I did not. Here is the entire, unedited 3 verses:

"And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple."

The context sure does change when you post the ENTIRE 3 verses, doesn't it?

[SanHeChuan]

Actually you did indeed edit it. After accusing me of editing when I did not. Here is the entire, unedited 3 verses:

"And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple."

The context sure does change when you post the ENTIRE 3 verses, doesn't it?

No.

[Drake]

I just dropped $115 on Toys for Tots. Went to Toys R Us, became a kid, bought some stuff, and dropped if off this evening.

Atheist charity FTW

[Kansuke]

Who christian's? Apparently in the NT you have to give out of love or it doesn't count.

In Christianity, charity is love.