The Hung Gar - Wing Chun Connection??

[Gru Bianca]

I'm not sure of what TWC lineage you're referring to but I've been a TWC practitioner for over 26 years and we've always used Ng Mui/Wu Mei in our history. If fact, if you look at the following link from my Sifu's site you'll see what I mean. http://www.cheungswingchun.com/g/899...n-kung-fu.html

Sorry for misleading you, TenTigers is correct.

[Gru Bianca]

the only person who ever claimed Ng Mui had anything to do with Tibetan White Crane is Staples, and he mis-read a Chinese text that said that Hing Duk (aka Sing Lung) studied ON MOI FAH STUMPS (as opposed to studing WITH NG MUI)

it's a goof right up there with our "clear" vs "green" character debate

Sorry to bother you, would you have by any chance the Chinese characters for Hing Duk?

Thank you

[TenTigers]

the only person who ever claimed Ng Mui had anything to do with Tibetan White Crane is Staples, and he mis-read a Chinese text that said that Hing Duk (aka Sing Lung) studied ON MOI FAH STUMPS (as opposed to studing WITH NG MUI)

it's a goof right up there with our "clear" vs "green" character debate

http://www.tibetankungfu.net/Hopgar%20history.htm

I wondered about that as well, but it's still up on David Chin's webpage, which is fairly recent.
Steve Richards' Lions Roar page has mention of Ng Mui as well.

what light can you shed on the short hand methods of Lama/Hop-Gar/TWC??

[Hendrik]

To seriously discuss this issue, one needs to go into real details. as I have proposed in the following.

http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/show...84&postcount=3

If one goes that deep, then Hung Gar and Wing Chun are two different animals, however, until the level or the standard of TCMA rise , things are not that obvious and everything seems to be looking a like.

and also, with a continous of EXPLICIT mixing in the past 100 years between Hung Gar, Wing Chun, and other southern art. There might end up everything is the same somedays.

[lkfmdc]

Sorry to bother you, would you have by any chance the Chinese characters for Hing Duk?

Thank you

I am not in NYC, so doing stuff on computer is hard, but it is basicly "rising virtue"

[lkfmdc]

http://www.tibetankungfu.net/Hopgar%20history.htm

I wondered about that as well, but it's still up on David Chin's webpage, which is fairly recent.
Steve Richards' Lions Roar page has mention of Ng Mui as well.

what light can you shed on the short hand methods of Lama/Hop-Gar/TWC??

my bet is, the guy doing the web page just read Staples' book

Steve seems to collect info from all, so he probably picked up on Staple's version

The funny thing was, all those years ago, reading Staples book and scratching my head, then I am in SF and someone gave me this article, a photocopy, said it was the only thing circulating at the time, I read it, and I can tell you much of Staples book was taken from this, but he mistranslated a few things in glaring ways

[lkfmdc]

Ching Hoi (Qinghai) isn't a small village it is a PROVINCE

and Wong Yan Lam was never anywhere near it, he was in "Ching Wan Jih" or the "blessed cloud temple"

sort of sound the same, but NOT the same

[Gru Bianca]

I am not in NYC, so doing stuff on computer is hard, but it is basicly "rising virtue"

Thank you so very much for your courtesy, so if I understood well should be something on the line of... 升德?

Thank you

[Gru Bianca]

Thank you so very much for your courtesy, so if I understood well should be something on the line of... 升德?

Thank you

or perhaps 尚德？

[jdhowland]

the only person who ever claimed Ng Mui had anything to do with Tibetan White Crane is Staples, and he mis-read a Chinese text that said that Hing Duk (aka Sing Lung) studied ON MOI FAH STUMPS (as opposed to studing WITH NG MUI)

it's a goof right up there with our "clear" vs "green" character debate

Thanks for clearing that up! After, what...35 years? I have an answer as to why Staples and I share the same si-gung but seemed to have such different lineage stories. I never trusted the statement that Sing Lung was morphed into Ng Mui in Chinese legend. The time frame just wasn't right.

Be well.

John

[jdhowland]

[QUOTE=TenTigers;979132]I find it intriguing that Fukien Bak Hok and Tibetan Bak Hok (Hop-Ga/Lama P'ai/Bak Hok P'ai) are from opposite sides of the spectrum and yet have similar short bridging techniques.QUOTE]

It makes me wonder if there was a general short-hand flavor of fighting arts in Fukien and Guangdong when these arts developed. Maybe influenced later, in some cases, by the big horses and long fists of the north.

I have no experience in Fukien White Crane, Hung Ga or Wing Chun, but when a Wing Chun friend saw my Hop Ga jin cheui "arrow punch" he said it was almost identical to his basic punch. Lama style short hands also include uppercuts, hooks, straight backfists, rabbit punches, elbow strikes and finger jabs found in lots of other systems.

jd

[ktkungfu]

How many forms in Hung Gar?