i would just like to inform those on the board who may actually give a damn, that we had our 3rd child on january 9th... january 9th also happens to be our first daughters birthday and we have a son inbetween the two. she was born 17 days late, at home, in a birthing tub after a mere 5 hours of labour and one full push(we actually just got home from watching avatar when the contractions started - thank goodness cause i told my girlfriend we were staying thru the movie if she went into labour )... now that is hardcore mates.