Qi and Spirit?

[Scott R. Brown]

I don't have much time to write much due to limitations of time and too many interesting threads, but I thought I would add a little something here the easy way.

Following are some lines from the Nei Yeh a 4th century Taoist treatise from an unknown author. The Nei Yeh is the oldest known Taoist text and is thought to originate from an oral tradition that could extend back 2,500 years (if my memory serves me correctly). This would mean it could possibly predate Buddha!

Translated by Harold Roth

ONE

The vital essence of all things:
It is this that brings them to life.
It generates the five grains below
And becomes the constellated stars above.
When flowing amid the heavens and the earth
We call it ghostly and numinous.
When stored within the chests of human beings,
We call them sages.

TWO

Therefore this vital energy is:
Bright! as
if ascending from the heavens;
Dark! as
if entering an abyss;
Vast! as
if dwelling in an ocean;
Lofty! as
if dwelling on a mountain peak.
Therefore this vital energy
Cannot be halted by force,
Yet can be secured by inner power [Te].
Cannot be summoned by speech,
Yet can be welcomed by awareness.
Reverently hold onto it and do not lose it:
This is called "developing inner power."
When inner power develops and wisdom emerges,
The myriad things will, to the last one, be grasped.

THREE

All the forms of the mind
Are naturally infused and filled with it [the vital essence],
Are naturally generated and developed [because of] it.
It is lost
Inevitably because of sorrow, happiness, joy, anger, desire, and profitseeking.
If you are able to cast off sorrow, happiness, joy, anger, desire and profitseeking,
Your mind will just revert to equanimity.
The true condition of the mind
Is that it finds calmness beneficial and, by it, attains repose.
Do not disturb it, do not disrupt it
And harmony will naturally develop.

TWENTY-SIX

That mysterious vital energy within the mind:
One moment it arrives, the next it departs.
So fine, there is nothing within it;
So vast, there is nothing outside it.
We lose it
Because of the harm caused by mental agitation.
When the mind can hold on to tranquility,
The Way will become naturally stabilized.
For people who have attained the Way
It permeates their pores and saturates their hair.
Within their chest, they remain unvanquished.
[Follow] this Way of restricting sense desires
And the myriad things will not cause you harm.

There are 26 verses in all. It is apparent to me that this teaching demonstrates an understanding of Buddhist principles coupled with Taoist principles that predates the origins of Buddhism.

[uki]

Nephilim:
"...passage from Evola:
"These angels were prey to the desire for power and, in ‘mating,’ fell - descended to earth - onto an elevated place (Mount Hermon). From this union were born the Nephilim, a powerful race (the Titans- says Giza Papyrus) , allegorically described as ‘giants’ but whose supernatural nature remains to be discovered in The Book of Enoch: ‘They need neither food, nor do they thirst and they evade [physical] perception.
"The Nephilim, the ‘fallen’ angels are nothing less than the titans and ‘the watchers,’ the race that the Book of Baruch calls, ‘glorious and war like,’ the same race that awoke in men the spirit of the heroes and warriors, who invented the arts and who transmitted the mystery of magic What more decisive proof concerning the spirit of the hermetico-alchemical tradition can there be than the explicit and continuous reference in the texts precisely to that tradition? We read in the hermetic literature: ‘The ancient and sacred books,’ says Hermes, ‘teach that certain angels burned with desire for women. They descended to earth and taught all the works of Nature. They were the ones who created the [hermetic] works and from them proceeds the primordial tradition of this Art.’ The very word chemi, from chema, from which derive the words alchemy and chemistry, appears for the first time in a papyrus of the Twelfth Dynasty, referring to a tradition of just this kind."

http://www.vadgemoore.com/writings/i...itiations.html

glad to see someone else is doing their homework.

[taai gihk yahn]

There are 26 verses in all. It is apparent to me that this teaching demonstrates an understanding of Buddhist principles coupled with Taoist principles that predates the origins of Buddhism.

this is not Zen, not Tao, not even spectacubation!!!

[Scott R. Brown]

this is not Zen, not Tao, not even spectacubation!!!

Look HENDRIK....how many times do I have to tell you to go stick your head back up your....

........uh

.......um

........er

..........sorry

.......wrong uh thingy!!!

Proceed with rinse and repeat please!