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    Grand master fred spencer

    Performing the Lau Bun lineage Sup Ji Kau Da Kuen

    Sup Ji Kau Da Kuen
    I'm pretty sure the only thing tongs do nowadays is make sure Chinese restaurants don't pay out tips to their waiters. - Pazman[/B]

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    It is nice to see Master Spencer demos.

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    No disrespect, but it seems to me he is not finishing his techniques,
    or am I missing something?

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    care to elaborate????
    I'm pretty sure the only thing tongs do nowadays is make sure Chinese restaurants don't pay out tips to their waiters. - Pazman[/B]

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    very often when we practice forms without going through full range of motion-"just going over" the forms, we shorten our movements (because we "know" the form, having done it forever..). This trains the neuro pathways-practice makes permanent. Then, add into the mix the adreneline dump, which often occurs when doing a demo, and you get tight, shortened movements.
    The key to preventing this is to always practice the full movements.
    CLF-particularly in BSCLF, the movements are very large, with full stretching of the joints. (a;though, this is also depending on how the individual plays the form., so it is not limited to BSCLF.)This maintains flexibility, and opens up the energy pathways. The chi-gung is woven into these sets, which is why they don't need to add separate chi-gung forms to the system.
    We all do it from time to time. And yuo see it most prevelant in older practitioners.
    Then it really blows our minds when we see a guy who is in his eighties, and his movements are full and strong. Can't remember who, but there is an old CLF guy, and also an old Hung Kuen guy who bangs out a beautiful form on youtube.
    -and lets not forget that 95 yr old guy who looks like Miyagi, doing Bagua and double broadswords. I love the way he runs off the stage afterward, like a child. Such energy..
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    "My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
    Gwok-Si, Gwok-Faht"

    "I will not be part of the generation
    that killed Kung-Fu."

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    Does his student train this way?

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    CLF-particularly in BSCLF, the movements are very large, with full stretching of the joints. (a;though, this is also depending on how the individual plays the form., so it is not limited to BSCLF.)This maintains flexibility, and opens up the energy pathways.
    i can tell you he wasn't taught by US to move that way. he is more of a chan family stylist.....they have shorter hands than Hung Sing and Buk Sing in my opinion.

    Does his student train this way?
    students tend to look like their teacher. by my sisooks ive been told they can see in my hands that i am my sifu's student. my senior students have seen my more jr ones develop my hands......so it may be safe to conclude that students tend to resemble their teachers.
    I'm pretty sure the only thing tongs do nowadays is make sure Chinese restaurants don't pay out tips to their waiters. - Pazman[/B]

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    The chi-gung is woven into these sets, which is why they don't need to add separate chi-gung forms to the system.
    TT,

    my sifu always told us that after a certain amount of time you naturally build your chi gung....anyone would.
    I'm pretty sure the only thing tongs do nowadays is make sure Chinese restaurants don't pay out tips to their waiters. - Pazman[/B]

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    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    TT,

    my sifu always told us that after a certain amount of time you naturally build your chi gung....anyone would.
    it depends on the student, where their minds are at. Some just never turn inward, or develop that awareness of self.
    "My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
    Gwok-Si, Gwok-Faht"

    "I will not be part of the generation
    that killed Kung-Fu."

    ....step.

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    thats right.
    I'm pretty sure the only thing tongs do nowadays is make sure Chinese restaurants don't pay out tips to their waiters. - Pazman[/B]

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    @hskwarrior:

    What I meant is, like Tentigers wrote too, that it looks to me, that he is beginning a new technique without having finished the one before.
    It does not look like a masters presentation, but maybe tentigers is right and he was nervous…

    After all I am just commenting this one video, I do not know him and form presentation and to be a master of your style is not necessarily the same thing.

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    Also, very little movement in the waist, as though his upper body is one solid column. CLF should be done with a "supple waist", because that is where the power transfers through from the feet.

    EO

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    oh ok....didn't know that
    I'm pretty sure the only thing tongs do nowadays is make sure Chinese restaurants don't pay out tips to their waiters. - Pazman[/B]

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    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    oh ok....didn't know that
    There's always something new to learn Frank....

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    yes there is. you're very knowledgeable
    I'm pretty sure the only thing tongs do nowadays is make sure Chinese restaurants don't pay out tips to their waiters. - Pazman[/B]

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