Traditonal Versus Progressive Arts

[Hardwork108]

Please tell me where i said anything about recomending OL lifting for internal practise?

Your argument/discussion with the poster David who said that his Chow Gar methodology did not use weight training and then with me when I agreed with him, not to mention questioning my Olympic Weight Training qualifications , IMPLIES that you see such weight training as beneficial to Internal practice, which Chow Gar is! All this happened in the "Dynamic Tensions in Forms" thread, here:

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/foru...t=55375&page=3

i never mentioned internal once in any of my posts to you...

the whole subject matter that originated the discussion was regarding Chow Gar methodologies.

Chow Gar is an Internal style of kung fu.

Yep, isn't the world full of surprises? LOL

i did say modern methods of lifting can help train force development and explosivness as well as any methods ....

And on one level (mainly external) you would be correct.

nor did i mention chow gar for that matter but feel free to prove me wrong with a single quote

Again, the alternative (to yours) was the Chow Gar methodology that was discussed by the poster David and by myself.

Some of your demeaning comments were made to/in reference to a Chow Gar practitioner, who was stating that weight training was seen as counter productive to the body developments of that style. Or did I miss something and did not see that you were perhaps demeaning White Crane methodologies? LOL!

Obviously, none of you who jumped on his head, so to speak (and then on mine) had a notion of that methodology. Of course, none of you admitted your unfamiliarity either. How could you, after all you had "decades of experience" in MAs and of course, everyone knows that MMA-ists know everything about the MAs. LOL

Tell me, do you now believe that one can develop effective martial power without the use of weight training?

nope you style hop and try to pretend you and only you train TCMA,

Keep selling the lies......not only your lack of knowledge regarding Internal TCMA methodologies is transparent, but so is your insecurity.

i trained tcma directly under a master recognised by the hakka community in the UK as authentic

The world is full of people who have trained tcmas under great masters...LOL Look at the quality of some of the so called Yip Man disciples. I could swear that some of them would have moved on to MMA and grappling, like you did, if there was not so much money to be made in the Wing Chun business....LOL

i completed all the system under him bar a few weapons forms before moving on.

Moving on to grappling and MMA?...LOL

Which means a learned all that styles empty handed forms, all the ging training, body conditionng, meditation methods etc. I was also being trained to drum for the lion dance team and do the unicorn dance, so i know what is and is not authentic

Yet you were clueless in regards to the Chow Gar strength development methodology in question. Furthermore, you (nor others) had a notion of the significance of building up your back within that methodology!!!

There is only one person here clueless about the above and its not me

Not according to the facts.....

i train MMA with a guy who got 7 fighters ready for the UFC events over here last year

BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO!

so i have a good frame of reference to talk about MMA and sports training,

No one is questioning your frame of reference as regards MMA and sports training...It is your TCMA knowledge that was in question specially in that particular thread and in regards that particular methodology which has many practices that are not in the public domain.

You, whats your frame of reference again?.... oh thats right you don't have one

My frame of reference is my TCMA experience, which is not great in the grand TCMA scale of things, but it is definitely more than you and some of your MMA buddies.

Furthermore, I post my TCMA statements in a TCMA forum and not an MMA one. HINT!

we are jack of all trades hey, lets see those that you insult have actually completed systems, some under very well known masters,

The world is full of people who have "completed" systems under well known "masters". Yet the Mcdojo phenomenon is very real as also proven by you and your "kung fu-ist" MMA/cross training colleagues here.

you are the one style hoping here mate not us

Do continue with your misinformation as your desperation is entertaining from where I am sitting. LOL

When you find yourself disagreeing with almost everyone who has ever actually trained TCMA you might ant to stop and look deep within yourself... the problem might be with you and your lack of authentic training and not with them

In the real world out there, almost everyone who thinks that he has practiced authentic TCMA, has NOT!!!

It is called the Mcdojo/kwoon phenomenon. You keep forgetting this phenomenon, while you and thousands like you have been feeding it for a relatively long time.....

Its easy to convince us, tell us who you trained with and for how long, i am sure that between us we know enough masters to find someone to back up your story...how about it?

Who is "us"? The MMA/Cross trainers with the now famous "decades of experience" tag? LOL!

You mean that you want me to name sifus that you don't know, who teach TCMA methodologies that you are unfamiliar with, on the world wide web (none of whom are very fond of), so that you and your MMA/Cross training friends can give me the appropriate accreditation to carry on making statements on authentic TCMA methodologies that all of you (MMA/cross training) guys lack understanding in? And in a KUNG FU FORUM, at that? LOL!

How old are you?

By the way, I don't need to know who your "masters" were to know the limitations of your TCMA understanding. All I have needed so far was to read your posts.....

According to you, as i said list your masters and ill list mine, not those you have trained with via a third party but those masters you have directly had access to for years, and i'll do the same....how about it?

You can list all the masters you want and it won't change a thing. You are no TCMA-ist!

Your knowledge or lack of, come through your posts. Even your profile says a lot about how you "see" the TCMAs!!!!

Now, hurry along and change your profile before others see it as well....LOL

And as i said you should probably takecare as to who you are talking about, you are the one with no listed background in TCMA,

My TCMA knowledge is reflected in my posts and statements regarding the subject matter of TCMAs (Not Cross training/BJJ/MMA!), just as your lack of knowledge is reflected in yours in the Dynamic Tension in Forms thread.

You can list all the masters you want but you do not have any knowledge nor understanding of the Chow Gar methodology in question!

its you who seem to be a jack of all here not the people you insult all the time

Continue with the disinformation all you want and while you do that go on and have a look at your own profile...LOL

What lies,

The lies that accuse me of being a Jack of All Trades. Obviously you have missed certain connections that some Southern fist styles share, but that is OK as you don't actually practice TCMAs.

that you have not finished one single system

I have got news for you most people posting here have not finished a single authentic kung fu system and that includes you!

The fact remains that if you train in an authentic kung fu school then you will have a better understanding of the TCMAs and the various concepts than someone who has "completed" a "kung fu" system in a McKwoon (the world and by extension this forum is full of such "experts").

or can name one single master/authentic lineage holder you have trained with,

As I said, naming them will not change the fact that you are clueless about the methodologies in question.

Furthermore you wouldn't know them from Adam and of course, none of them have Olympic Weight lifting credentials that are so valued by this forum's knucklehead community...LOL

that you have no knowledge of MMA or weightlifting

And that is why I limit my posts to the kung fu threads. Why don't you show the same consideration and limit yours to the MMA ones!

yet you like to make silly ill informed remaks about both those things

Can you please show me where I have made ill informed remarks about the above so that perhaps I can explain myself?

....am I lieing when I say these things?

Who knows? You tell me, by giving examples of my "ill informed remarks"!

I know is that you lie every time you call me a jack of all trades, not to mention that such a statement is ironic coming from a MMA-ist such as yourself..LOL!