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    Bak mei?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Nk4...eature=related

    What's the lineage of this Sup Gee?...looks a lot different than what I'm being shown in Vancouver through Yip Chi Sum lineage.
    More questions to follow.

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    doesn't look like any Sup Ji-for that matter Bak mei, that I've ever seen.
    His structure seems to not be in alignment with BMP theory.
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    It might be futsan pak mei... hard to tell... Not like Sek Sze that I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TenTigers View Post
    doesn't look like any Sup Ji-for that matter Bak mei, that I've ever seen.
    His structure seems to not be in alignment with BMP theory.

    I read the headlines but had no idea to care, now I'm putting full time all my free time into Bak Mei yall really need to give me the page by page details on the genesis of doo wai and one J. Lacey.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/Tosserha.../2/gw4pasFPfUY

    lmao

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    what an idiot, you're suppossed to stand and you punch as soon as tension is there...lol

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    The first one is Cross Fist, Character Ten fist, from Futsan lineage. There are vids you can check out of Zhong Luo on Youtube teaching all of that form step by step. There are also a few vids of him doing demos. There are also vids on Youtube of peeps from Futsan lineage in China doing that form. Different than most all Sup Jee or Sek Sze forms from other Bak Mei lineages.

    The second one is the first Bak Mei form, Straight Step Fist, but from Doo Wai lineage. The guy is obviously not doing it properly here because of the steps mainly, and other reasons...A good form though done properly. Not much different than most Jik Bo from other Bak Mei lineages aside from some moves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAO YIN View Post
    The first one is Cross Fist, Character Ten fist, from Futsan lineage. There are vids you can check out of Zhong Luo on Youtube teaching all of that form step by step. There are also a few vids of him doing demos. There are also vids on Youtube of peeps from Futsan lineage in China doing that form. Different than most all Sup Jee or Sek Sze forms from other Bak Mei lineages.

    The second one is the first Bak Mei form, Straight Step Fist, but from Doo Wai lineage. The guy is obviously not doing it properly here because of the steps mainly, and other reasons...A good form though done properly. Not much different than most Jik Bo from other Bak Mei lineages aside from some moves.
    I thought it might be Futsan Pak Mei.

    There is no Doo Wai lineage of Pak Mei.

    It is total fabricated crap unrelated to Pak Mei other than what he learned in a few months from Wilkie Wu in Vancouver. The video demonstrates no understanding of pak mei, simply a mimic of some superficial movement. It is completely different to Jik Bo from real pak mei. Just to be clear on that point. There is no Doo Wai Pak Mei.

    But, feel free to call it "white tiger", I'm fine with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diego View Post
    I read the headlines but had no idea to care, now I'm putting full time all my free time into Bak Mei yall really need to give me the page by page details on the genesis of doo wai and one J. Lacey.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/Tosserha.../2/gw4pasFPfUY

    lmao
    Sigung is not PMPai, he's the head of Bak Fu Pai. Bak Fu Pai is a family style that has been kept within the family for years and has been taught to a few people outside the family. Of course, taking into consideration how many people have studied a style like Lung Ying or Pak Mei. Bak Fu Pai is similar to Pak Mei, just as Pak Mei is to Lung Ying. There short hand styles! Comparing PM to BFP is almost like comparing Chu Gar Gao and Jook Lum. Same hands, different energies. One style is know for it's geng ging and the other for it's Yau Kung. Geng Ging is but the beginning for us in Bak Fu. Same is true is YKM!

    Don't judge Sigung by a guy who isn't even his student. Sigung has a clip of him on youtube doing jikbo back in the days. He's actually training the energy form, as the Pak Mei he has is called Hung Mo/ErMei Bak Mei and every routine has a fighting form, chi gung form and a endurance form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge View Post
    Sigung is not PMPai, he's the head of Bak Fu Pai. Bak Fu Pai is a family style that has been kept within the family for years and has been taught to a few people outside the family. Of course, taking into consideration how many people have studied a style like Lung Ying or Pak Mei. Bak Fu Pai is similar to Pak Mei, just as Pak Mei is to Lung Ying. There short hand styles! Comparing PM to BFP is almost like comparing Chu Gar Gao and Jook Lum. Same hands, different energies. One style is know for it's geng ging and the other for it's Yau Kung. Geng Ging is but the beginning for us in Bak Fu. Same is true is YKM!

    Don't judge Sigung by a guy who isn't even his student. Sigung has a clip of him on youtube doing jikbo back in the days. He's actually training the energy form, as the Pak Mei he has is called Hung Mo/ErMei Bak Mei and every routine has a fighting form, chi gung form and a endurance form.

    Bless,

    Buby
    Sigung? I see your video sifu Garry is still associated with Doo Wai.

    As you referred to the Doo Wai jik bo clip, and apparently consider yourself a Bak Fu Pai practitioner (via video?), perhaps you can answer these questions:

    Quote Originally Posted by Reality_Check View Post
    With regards to Lama Pai Sifu's comment about Bak Fu Pai and it's appearance as "sloppy" Bak Mei, these two clips seem to support his contention.

    Bak Fu Pai (beginning at the 1:20 or so mark):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s--J4EihtM

    Bak Mei Jik Bo:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccUjuaGTllQ

    The movements are identical and in the same sequence. Could it be that Bak Fu Pai is simply renamed Bak Mei? Perhaps Doo Wai decided to create a new style from Bak Mei, giving it a secret history, as he couldn't compete with higher generation Bak Mei teachers (such as Chin D'or). Such things have been known to happen in the past. Please note, this is a supposition, but the lack of a verifiable lineage, as well as the pronounced similarities to Bak Mei, make it a legitimate line of inquiry.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reality_Check View Post
    Now, as that is out of the way, please feel free to address my supposition re: the relationship between Bak Fu Pai and Bak Mei. I would also appreciate some comments regarding the following.

    From a 1990 article in Ancient Sets of Kung Fu, authored by GM Doo Wai:

    "Bok Fu Pai (White Tiger) Kung Fu, has been conserved in a most traditional way, it was handed down from father to son until now. From Fung Doe Duk, the secret of White Tiger Kung Fu was passed to Kwong Wai Jung, then to Jok Wan Jung, then to Yee Too Jung then to Wou Shan Jie, a monk whom in exchange for food and lodging taught the White Tiger System to Doo Kow, whom in turn passed it down to his son the present head of the system, Grandmaster Doo Wai.
    In 1968 Grandmaster Doo Wai came to the United States, settling on the West Coast where he still resides and teaches but a few privately."

    In Bak Mei's lineage, Kwong Wai learned from Bak Mei and, in turn, taught Juk Fat Wan. If Bak Fu Pai is separate from Bak Mei, why are these two in it's lineage? In addition this would seem to contradict lineage trees on other Bak Fu Pai websites that list Doo Tin Yin as having learned from Fung Doe Duk. I hope that you, or Dr. Harout, can clear up this inconsistency.

    Also, I was hoping you or Dr. Harout would address the similarities (i.e. how they are almost identical) between Bak Fu Pai's Chum Bo Kuen and Bak Mei's Jik Bo Kuen (please see my first post on page 13 of this thread for a visual aid).

    Thank you, in advance, for your replies.
    I never did get any answers during that whole donny brook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality_Check View Post
    Sigung? I see your video sifu Garry is still associated with Doo Wai.

    As you referred to the Doo Wai jik bo clip, and apparently consider yourself a Bak Fu Pai practitioner (via video?), perhaps you can answer these questions:





    I never did get any answers during that whole donny brook.
    RC,

    I'm leaving work, but will answer the questions to the best of my ability as soon as I get home.

    Nah Bro, I'm no longer a vid. student. I thought you would know that by now.

    If you don't mind me asking, are you in NYC?

    Buby

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality_Check View Post
    Originally Posted by Reality_Check
    With regards to Lama Pai Sifu's comment about Bak Fu Pai and it's appearance as "sloppy" Bak Mei, these two clips seem to support his contention.

    Bak Fu Pai (beginning at the 1:20 or so mark):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s--J4EihtM

    Bak Mei Jik Bo:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccUjuaGTllQ

    The movements are identical and in the same sequence. Could it be that Bak Fu Pai is simply renamed Bak Mei? Perhaps Doo Wai decided to create a new style from Bak Mei, giving it a secret history, as he couldn't compete with higher generation Bak Mei teachers (such as Chin D'or). Such things have been known to happen in the past. Please note, this is a supposition, but the lack of a verifiable lineage, as well as the pronounced similarities to Bak Mei, make it a legitimate line of inquiry.
    that's the jik bo i know... sifu lees that is... that vid is nice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by diego View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Nk4...eature=related

    What's the lineage of this Sup Gee?...looks a lot different than what I'm being shown in Vancouver through Yip Chi Sum lineage.
    More questions to follow.

    Peace
    im pretty sure he's a dragon house guy... foshan... under zhong luo... i could be wrong tho, but im pretty sure i saw another one of his vids and put that together...

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    sweet it's been one year since I made this thread and one year in Bak mei congrats to me lol

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    So can anyone highlight the generic differences between HK and Foshan Bak Mei?
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    He has a video explaining some of the differences

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