Bak mei?

[Syn7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Nk4...eature=related

What's the lineage of this Sup Gee?...looks a lot different than what I'm being shown in Vancouver through Yip Chi Sum lineage.
More questions to follow.

Peace

im pretty sure he's a dragon house guy... foshan... under zhong luo... i could be wrong tho, but im pretty sure i saw another one of his vids and put that together...

[Syn7]

LMFAO!!!

Doo studied in HK with you lots hero, CLC. If he also did with WW, then fine. Great for him.

Anyways, so let me get this right...

Lai Yip Jeurng,
Yum Yeurng Kum La Sau,
Bil Jee,
Sut Choy,
Chum Choy Toi,
Kol La Fu Jow,
Gwok Jeurng,
Soy Kuil,

This isn't principles from Bak Mei Jik Bo?

my understanding is that its a rip off from doing short time with yip chi sum in vancouver... not lacy, but doo wai... i also believe he claimed to have already learned backmei in guangzhou...

[Syn7]

Are you talking to me or everyone? Because me personally...I am not buying ANYTHING without bargaining (lived in China too long), and if I am talking to a Chinese Kung Fu Man Sifu...I'll bargain and ask them all kinds of nasty little questions, in their own language no less. This usually gets "them" to walk the other way quickly, (especially the language bit), and fumble around in their pockets for half a dozen smokes (glad I quit)...

The question stays,

Why would Wai have complete knowledge and understanding of the entire Bak Mei system???

Was he the first home video student of Bak Mei back in the days or some shiit? hehehe!

he doesnt... he has like five forms from the clc hk line that he learned in vancouver for like a year...

[Syn7]

Originally Posted by Reality_Check
With regards to Lama Pai Sifu's comment about Bak Fu Pai and it's appearance as "sloppy" Bak Mei, these two clips seem to support his contention.

Bak Fu Pai (beginning at the 1:20 or so mark):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s--J4EihtM

Bak Mei Jik Bo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccUjuaGTllQ

The movements are identical and in the same sequence. Could it be that Bak Fu Pai is simply renamed Bak Mei? Perhaps Doo Wai decided to create a new style from Bak Mei, giving it a secret history, as he couldn't compete with higher generation Bak Mei teachers (such as Chin D'or). Such things have been known to happen in the past. Please note, this is a supposition, but the lack of a verifiable lineage, as well as the pronounced similarities to Bak Mei, make it a legitimate line of inquiry.

that's the jik bo i know... sifu lees that is... that vid is nice...

[Syn7]

The Sifu Wu who posted that video is from Australia, and does Futsan Pak Mei, amongst a number of other southern styles. He has a lot of good info, and has spent a good amount of time in China researching traditional Southern MA.

Not Wilkie Wu from Vancouver.

That vid looks more like Futsan Pak Mei to me from the way they do the salute and the little detail moves they insert.

i am 99.9999999% sure that was clc....

what do you think of wilkie wu's bak mei???? does anyone have video of him???

[TAO YIN]

Syn7,

I said this in this thread earlier but noone replied but,

Isn't Doo-- Wilkie Wu anyways? Wasn't that the story here about 8 years back or so? That his real name was Wilkie Wu, and that after some triad nastyness, his wife and child got killed, and he fled to America??? This was the story spouted about 8 years back. Good story until everyone realizes, or had realized, that Wilkie Wu was and is a real person living in Canada, who never fled Canada...


A simple question I have about Doo Wai...Where is he from in China?

Just a question for fun...Why would Doo Wai leave China, and Macau, and Hong Kong, and Taiwan, just to go to Canada to learn Bak Mei?

Curiosity questions...Why would masters on the West Coast respect him? Share K. Lew??? Why would he respect Doo Wai if he had nothing?

How did all of this "stay quiet" until the mid 90s, when the dude was known in the Mo Lum since the seventies? Did it take 20 years for people to figure all this out or something?

Noone knows it seems. All the stories that bash this guy, are just as ridiculous as his family inherited stories if you really look at it. Look, I am all for finding out exact truths. I am not talking about respectful truths just because so and so said. There is better ways of finding things out.

I have seen vids of the guy performing forms that are basically identical to most all of the known BM forms. Why?

[Faruq]

Syn7,

I said this in this thread earlier but noone replied but,

Isn't Doo-- Wilkie Wu anyways? Wasn't that the story here about 8 years back or so? That his real name was Wilkie Wu, and that after some triad nastyness, his wife and child got killed, and he fled to America??? This was the story spouted about 8 years back. Good story until everyone realizes, or had realized, that Wilkie Wu was and is a real person living in Canada, who never fled Canada...


A simple question I have about Doo Wai...Where is he from in China?

Just a question for fun...Why would Doo Wai leave China, and Macau, and Hong Kong, and Taiwan, just to go to Canada to learn Bak Mei?

Curiosity questions...Why would masters on the West Coast respect him? Share K. Lew??? Why would he respect Doo Wai if he had nothing?

How did all of this "stay quiet" until the mid 90s, when the dude was known in the Mo Lum since the seventies? Did it take 20 years for people to figure all this out or something?

Noone knows it seems. All the stories that bash this guy, are just as ridiculous as his family inherited stories if you really look at it. Look, I am all for finding out exact truths. I am not talking about respectful truths just because so and so said. There is better ways of finding things out.

I have seen vids of the guy performing forms that are basically identical to most all of the known BM forms. Why?

No man, Wilkie Woo (Woo Wai Quan) is currently a sifu for pakmei.net. He's listed there on several pages:

http://www.pakmei.net/articles/article.asp?ID=13
http://www.pakmei.net/articles/article.asp?ID=20
and right their on the home page: http://www.pakmei.net/
http://www.bakmei.ca/

[TAO YIN]

Faruq,

I know. What I wrote is a rumour that was floating around like 10 years ago.

You are Doo Wai's student. Where is he from in China?

[Syn7]

No man, Wilkie Woo (Woo Wai Quan) is currently a sifu for pakmei.net. He's listed there on several pages:

http://www.pakmei.net/articles/article.asp?ID=13
http://www.pakmei.net/articles/article.asp?ID=20
and right their on the home page: http://www.pakmei.net/
http://www.bakmei.ca/

no he isnt... pakmei.net is ontario... wu wai-kwan is in vancouver http://www.bakmei.ca/main.html

if you read doucets articles and all that you will see that wilkie wu donated one form i think... thats the extent of their affiliation... doucets site isnt even linked in wilkies link page...

[Syn7]

FARUQ

where in the articles you referenced does it say that wilkie is a sifu for the school in ontario???

wilkie is legit and can document his lineage and history, not only with documentation but also with pictures... alone either of these could be suspect but together they paint a pretty iron clad picture... not to mention that he is recognized by the clc fam... he trained not only under yip chi sum but also under the famous late chow fuk and the late kwok chi cheung...

[Faruq]

Faruq,

I know. What I wrote is a rumour that was floating around like 10 years ago.

You are Doo Wai's student. Where is he from in China?

I've never been a Doo Wai student. I did buy a couple of videos from his whitetigerkungfu.com website with Dan LaRochelle several years back, but I was never an actual "student". I don't think Doo Wai has told anyone the truth about where he's from in China. I once saw him post here that he had been friends with Ark Yuey Wong if I'm not mistaken, but I don't think Ark Wong even knew the truth. It would be great if someone could find out, and see what people in his village would say about his family and Bak Fu Pai. That'd clear up a lot of conjecture....or maybe it wouldn't, lol....

[Faruq]

no he isnt... pakmei.net is ontario... wu wai-kwan is in vancouver http://www.bakmei.ca/main.html

if you read doucets articles and all that you will see that wilkie wu donated one form i think... thats the extent of their affiliation... doucets site isnt even linked in wilkies link page...

Okay then, because he's just listed on all the pages I put the links up to. Thanks for the correction.

[scottdurand]

Fascinating topic and replies. Thanks for the great thread on this wonderful style.

[Syn7]

anyone else know the titles of some good bak mei books... any lineage... titles? authors? links?

[Fung Ngan]

anyone else know the titles of some good bak mei books... any lineage... titles? authors? links?

Depends what you would like to know about Pak Mei.

Personally I favor: Pak Mei Kungfu - The Myth & the Martial arts by S.L. Fung and in Chinese the book of Pak Mei Boxing by ZhiZui Wong (内家勁功白眉拳 - 黃志軍).
A must have is most possible Pak Mei Kungfu of H.B. Un.

Links? Of course ours ...(www.pakmeipai.nl)