Hey, its a lot worse when it backfires...Originally Posted by Tiger on Duty
Cha Wang
Hey, its a lot worse when it backfires...
Guangzhou Pak Mei Kung Fu School, Sydney Australia,
Sifu Leung, Yuk Seng
Established 1989, Glebe Australia
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What he said ^ :-)
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Lai See,
I know you think this is shiitty, but is it a Bil Jee or not? Or are we going with Kol La? Does it Float or Sink? Doest it Swallow or Spit? Does its energy follow horizontal circular motion, lateral circular motion, or vertical circular motion?
More or less...
1. Willow Leaf Palm
2. Straight Step
3. Ying and Yang Seizing Hands
4. Straight Step
5. Thrust Fingers
6. Phoenix Eye Fist
7. Straight Step
8 Tiger Claw Seizing, Ripping, throwing
9. Thrust Fingers
10. Phoenix Eye Fist
11. Straight Step
12. Tiger Claw, Seizing, ripping, throwing
Cha Wang
I beg to differ....
I liken it to Tools and craftsmanship. Sure, craftsmanship goes beyond tools, but a good set of tools makes a big difference.
Guangzhou Pak Mei Kung Fu School, Sydney Australia,
Sifu Leung, Yuk Seng
Established 1989, Glebe Australia
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I agree with your analagy, in so far that as I have mentioned before I firmly believe that the tools need be there in order for the craftmanship to flourish.
I was taught, amongst other reasons, because I had a lot of tools to bring to the table. It is a pre-requisite for those that I teach. It doesn't mean beginners can't play, but they have to learn the tools first.
What I note is different is some places is that the core sets are 'sandwiched' by others, this is what I think TOD means by filler.
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Sir, I have already clearly stated that I am not going to point by point go through Jik Bou here.
You enjoy yours and I'll enjoy mine, they are clearly different!! How's that?
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Sir, yes, that is fine. But, just to make sure, clearly, these people are not doing "Bil Jee," even though the instructor yells "Bil Jee" at the 48-49 second point...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq_BRPuP3Xg
Clearly, this man isn't doing "Bil Jee," it's just the eyes' imagination.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83JXC...eature=related
And every other vid on youtube that is Bak Mei. Plus they don't do it in 9 step. Now, if I can only find a clip of Yum Cha and his guys honing their waists, by doing horse stance with the "Bil Jee," then turning into front stance with the punch that really isn't a punch. But anyways.
Last edited by TAO YIN; 04-03-2010 at 10:20 AM.
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Please look before you leap. Check back through the posts. Look very carefully for what I actually posted in this regard. Thank you.
Sir, yes, that is fine. But, just to make sure, clearly, these people are not doing "Bil Jee," even though the instructor yells "Bil Jee" at the 48-49 second point...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq_BRPuP3Xg
Clearly, this man isn't doing "Bil Jee," it's just the eyes' imagination.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83JXC...eature=related
And every other vid on youtube that is Bak Mei. Plus they don't do it in 9 step. Now, if I can only find a clip of Yum Cha and his guys honing their waists, by doing horse stance with the "Bil Jee," then turning into front stance with the punch that really isn't a punch. But anyways.
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No, no, no...wait a minute. I am not leaping. I am not going back to read through the entire thread. But, you said something to the effect that Jik Bo didn't have a "Bil Jee," or a finger strike one. I have never seen any Bak Mei schools that did Jik Bo where it didn't look like a hard finger strike. I can think of only one school that does it differently.
Bak Mei's art, its forms, its 8 methods, its Geng Jak Ging, it's FCTT, and everything else, has Ying/ Yang theory relating to it. Jik Bo does too.
What is the Ying/ Yang theory in Jik Bo? And since it is Chi Gung (right?), is it micro or macro cosmic orbit, or something else all together, and how does it relate to iron shirt? How is the Ying /Yang theory developed in Jik Bo?
Last edited by TAO YIN; 04-05-2010 at 06:21 AM.
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No, no, no...wait a minute. I am not leaping. I am not going back to read through the entire thread. But, you said something to the effect that Jik Bo didn't have a "Bil Jee," or a finger strike one. I have never seen any Bak Mei schools that did Jik Bo where it didn't look like a hard finger strike. I can think of only one school that does it differently.
Bak Mei's art, its forms, its 8 methods, its Geng Jak Ging, it's FCTT, and everything else, has Ying/ Yang theory relating to it. Jik Bo does too.
What is the Ying/ Yang theory in Jik Bo? And since it is Chi Gung (right?
Forgive me but you are leaping because I did not state that at all.
Hence why I asked politely that you re-read, because you indicate yourself that I said "something to that effect".
It appears to me that you cannot be bothered to look at what I actually said, yet you consistently 'call me out' for not explaining? Explaining what? That which you didn't read in the first place?
This is going nowhere fast because you are focusing on the finger and missing all the heavenly glory (pun very much intended).
Allow me to try to help you with at least one of your conundrums, in one fell slice.
Biu Gee/Biu Sau.
A thing 'looking like' another thing isn't necessarily ONLY the thing you think it is. Let me explain further with a story, and not a work of fiction either.
A man (lets call him Mr Smith) who had learnt some rudimentary 'kung fu' made friends with a Chinese fellow. The Chinese fellow taught him some more 'kung fu', but Mr Smith was far more interested in what the older Chinese fellow over in the corner of the room was doing. The younger of the Chinese men told him that the man was practising White Brow.
When Mr Smith asked if he could learn this White Brow he was politely told no. So what Mr Smith did was to memorise some of the movements that the older man was practising and practise them on his own.
Some years later he was teaching a system that included apparently in its repetoire 'White Eyebrow'.
Many years later after others had learnt from this man and in turn taught to others and so on. There were then, people all over who believed they 'had' White Eyebrow in their 'kung fu'.
They did not.
One day a man who had already learnt several martial arts (lets call him Mr Brown) learnt this system of 'kung fu' to a high level. He decided one day having some suspicions about the origins of said system that he would trace the roots as far back as he could. Eventually he found his way back to Mr Smith and found out the truth. The White Eyebrow within the system was in fact nothing but one mans rough interpretation of some physical movements.
Last edited by Lai See; 04-06-2010 at 01:33 AM.
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Of course Biu Jee can be used as a cutting bridge! So could a punch or an elbow.
PM 101.
IS THIS WHAT HAS BECOME OF PAK MEI?
SOME PEOPLE WON'T SEE THE GOLD NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY TRY!!!
KB
GM of Hadaka Korosu
Gentlemen, every move in ANY form has multiple applications.
That doesn't change what the ORIGINAL one was or that the first application or "standard" application anyone was taught is "wrong".
If there is anything wrong it is when anyone decides that a move can only be "A" and not "B" or "C".
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
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Lai See,
That's your big secret? That it's a bridge? Well, at least you said it now! I mentioned it being different moves before, sarcastically. I like using the punch as a Choy Kuil, so maybe the punch is a choy kuil. LOL!
I'll still bet that you probably breathe out when you practice that left "Bil Jee/ Sau/ Jow/ Seip Kuil/ ETC. Do you breathe out on that move?
What is the Ying/ Yang theory in Jik Bo? And since it is Chi Gung (right?), is it micro or macro cosmic orbit, or something else all together, and how does it relate to iron shirt? How is the Ying /Yang theory developed in Jik Bo?
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Lai See,
I forgot to ask, who is your story about?
You are Canada Bak Mei right? From Chow Fook? Have you ever seen a video of a guy doing Sup Baat Mor, and kicking his shoe off while doing it? LOL! Loved that vid...I think he was from your lineage, but I am not sure.
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For the record, I have never used the word secret, nor have I said that any particular application is wrong. If it came across that I was saying only 'A' counts then I didn't make myself clear. My point was entirely the opposite, as it appeared to me that this was what TAO YIN was stating. I'm all about 'A', 'B' and 'C'.
TAO YIN :
- I personally don't know what you mean by Choy Kuil (see below).
- You would lose that bet.
- I simply can't answer any of your questions in relation to orbits or shirts made of iron or theories, and its not through being difficult or secretive or bloody minded or wanting to appear 'superior' in any way on purpose.
We have to go back to words again and you need to try to understand that the words you are using don't mean a hill of beans to me and how I was taught. Thats just how it is!
This was my point earlier in this discourse. It's not about the words per se on screen its about the words in relation to the actual physical movement(s) and how and what each of us were taught during the learning of such things. My Biu whatever might well not be your Biu whatever. I was taught simply by doing and feeling and being corrected, then practicing over and over and over mostly 'live'. What it was called and what other words or phrases were involved or not wasn't deemed that relevant or necessary. The words were just not as important as the 'doing'. Whether that is 'right' or it is 'wrong' is another matter and one for which I don't frankly care much about.
Do you see what I mean?
- Not from Canada no.
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