What Bak Mei Chi Gung Forms Do You All Practice?

[TAO YIN]

1. Sure it can. Heell, I'll explain it in a symbol......FCTT= +

2. I never said I don't understand Chi Gung. (Joke, just funny how you wrote).

3. Okay, so it's a tiger claw? A Palm? A palm and a tiger claw? Why not make it a finger strike, palm, tiger claw, rip, and reverse phoenix all in one? What is it in 9 Step? Not a Bil Jee too? Most will say BIL JEE, And you know it...Enlighten us. What is it?

4. I know people say such things. It happens often. I have read it often.

5. Jik Bo isn't Chi Gung.

6. How? What postures? What signs? What mudras? What alchemy?

7. "The horse is not a t and it's not a v. You don't attack, I won't bash you." If I hip throw you, and you don't have enough sense to sink into your stance or somesuch, regardless of whatever stance you want to call it, good luck! If you spar, you use "horse stance" or some variation thereof. It just won't look like a static picture. Metaphors...

8. Yes, they do! Then yall have different Jik Bos...

[Lai See]

1. Sure it can. Heell, I'll explain it in a symbol......FCTT= +

2. I never said I don't understand Chi Gung. (Joke, just funny how you wrote).

3. Okay, so it's a tiger claw? A Palm? A palm and a tiger claw? Why not make it a finger strike, palm, tiger claw, rip, and reverse phoenix all in one? What is it in 9 Step? Not a Bil Jee too? Most will say BIL JEE, And you know it...Enlighten us. What is it?

4. I know people say such things. It happens often. I have read it often.

5. Jik Bo isn't Chi Gung.

6. How? What postures? What signs? What mudras? What alchemy?

7. "The horse is not a t and it's not a v. You don't attack, I won't bash you." If I hip throw you, and you don't have enough sense to sink into your stance or somesuch, regardless of whatever stance you want to call it, good luck! If you spar, you use "horse stance" or some variation thereof. It just won't look like a static picture. Metaphors...

8. Yes, they do! Then yall have different Jik Bos...

1. You have proved yourself empirically incorrect, thank you for saving me the effort.

2. I think you will find that which I have written is funny.

3. See 1. above. Listing more words in a row isn't helping your 'argument'.
The fact here is you don't know and I do.
You really want to be enlightened? Really? Then go and find a Pak Mei class * Easy.

4. So, you don't have an opinion as to why then, you just 'see' and base arguments over the internet with random strangers on what you have seen in pixels without making an actual opinion as to what you have seen or why? Strange behaviour that, now I am the one who is confused.

5. Yet again you see I said something very very simple (allow me to refresh the memory "it is integral" ) and you reply to it with something seemingly unrelated to the very point I made.

6. What on earth are you talking about now? Signs, postures, alchemy? Have we taken a diversion to a Harry Potter movie? Do tell.

7. I am entirely unsure as to how to answer your discourse related to this point without appearing to be two things 1) impolite and 2) an armchair hardcase !
Your choice, you decide. Happy to oblige.

8. Clearly.



* A Cheung Lai Chuen Pak Mei class :-)

[sanjuro_ronin]

This is an internet forum and as such, it is a discussion forum so when one CHOOSES to participate one uses words ( shocking revelation, yes I know).
Telling people to train is NOT discussing nor is saying that someone is mistaken, wrong or mislead and NOT explaining why.
Since no one is FORCED to discuss ANYTHING it means that when one chooses to involved themselves in a discussion they should DISCUSS not demean.
So, to keep it simple, discuss or don't, but don't derail threads with "I have the real *insert TCMA* training but I won't tell you what it is" crap, not here.
Don't want to share or discuss? fine, DON'T, just keep out of the discussion.

A message from your friendly neighborhood moderator.

[Lai See]

This is an internet forum and as such, it is a discussion forum so when one CHOOSES to participate one uses words ( shocking revelation, yes I know).
Telling people to train is NOT discussing nor is saying that someone is mistaken, wrong or mislead and NOT explaining why.
Since no one is FORCED to discuss ANYTHING it means that when one chooses to involved themselves in a discussion they should DISCUSS not demean.
So, to keep it simple, discuss or don't, but don't derail threads with "I have the real *insert TCMA* training but I won't tell you what it is" crap, not here.
Don't want to share or discuss? fine, DON'T, just keep out of the discussion.

A message from your friendly neighborhood moderator.

You complain that I demean, that I derail and that I come here with crap.
This is friendly neighborhood moderation is it?

As it happens I do 'have' real Pak Mei, as do one or two other posters on here (Lau, Olaf, Yum Cha and Tiger on duty for example) and I have been quite open as to what it is. Perhaps more controversially also as to what it is not.

Yet all I am doing is to demean, derail etc according to you.

Sorry those above if I have chosen to name you without it being your wish for me to do so but you know what, sometimes there is standing up and being counted.


OK, Mr Friendly moderator fine. I got your message.

[TAO YIN]

Lai See,

3. So it's a Leopard Fist? Is it Bil Jee or not? And in Gau Bo Tui? What is it in the poem? Seeing as how you are so open as to what it is...

4. I do have an opinion why. Because SOME people think that if it isn't CLC Hong Kong Bak Mei, if it is from Har Hon Hung, or whoever else, it has nothing to do with Bak Mei Kung Fu and its principles. This concept beats the heell out of me.

5. Jik Bo is for basic fighting. It isn't designed to cultivate Chi. Sprinting is integral to Bak Mei.

6. These are basic concepts of Chi Gung. Go to Shaolin and ask one of the monks why they chant, and have for however long. CLC learned from a Monk right?

7. Copout...

8. Yes clearly. You don't practice the horse in your Jik Bo like Guangzhou Bak Mei does. Ask Yum Cha!

What is the real Bak Mei? What they practice in Guangzhou, Fatsan, Hong Kong? What line do you come from? Who is your teacher?

[sanjuro_ronin]

You complain that I demean, that I derail and that I come here with crap.
This is friendly neighborhood moderation is it?

As it happens I do 'have' real Pak Mei, as do one or two other posters on here (Lau, Olaf, Yum Cha and Tiger on duty for example) and I have been quite open as to what it is. Perhaps more controversially also as to what it is not.

Yet all I am doing is to demean, derail etc according to you.

Sorry those above if I have chosen to name you without it being your wish for me to do so but you know what, sometimes there is standing up and being counted.


OK, Mr Friendly moderator fine. I got your message.

I am glad that you got my message, which means I won't need to repeat it again and since it was direct to EVERYONE in general ( I am a tad tired of people coming into DISCUSSION forums and NOT discussing anything other than HINTS of thier supposed uber-knowledge), I hope that all got the message too.

[Lai See]

I am glad that you got my message, which means I won't need to repeat it again and since it was direct to EVERYONE in general ( I am a tad tired of people coming into DISCUSSION forums and NOT discussing anything other than HINTS of thier supposed uber-knowledge), I hope that all got the message too.

Fair enough.

Allow me to partially explain.
I am not going to type a full descriptive technical move by move by application analysis of a part of the set in particular on this discussion forum. If this then smacks of hinting, and I can in a way see that it may indeed do so then I apologise but I would hope that you would understand my reticence to do so.
It has never been done yet for any of the four core sets and I don't imagine that in my lifetime it will be. Even the photgraphs in Un Ho Bun's book are virtually impossible to mimic as those that know the set will understand, and those who have tried to follow it just from the pictures will also understand.

Good or bad, well that's up to the individual to decide, but the point about my training comment is that Pak Mei is one of those arts that is literally impossible to even gain a flavour for through words. You really do, - old chestnut that this may be - , have to see it and feel it.

One of difficulties I face in the discussion in this particular context is that the exact differences between for example the Pak Mei part of another art and the Pak Mei in and of itself is that it IS so very very different. You will have to take my word here that the reason for discussion about those differences is literally nothing whatsoever about chest beating who 'has' the real deal.
It is highlighted in the 'chi gung' issue. One voice says one thing and the other says the polar opposite.
An interesting read can be had on these very issues within a couple of recent books; Yandle's Pak Mei : A Dedication, and S.L. Fung's : Pak Mei.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Fair enough.

Allow me to partially explain.
I am not going to type a full descriptive technical move by move by application analysis of a part of the set in particular on this discussion forum. If this then smacks of hinting, and I can in a way see that it may indeed do so then I apologise but I would hope that you would understand my reticence to do so.
It has never been done yet for any of the four core sets and I don't imagine that in my lifetime it will be. Even the photgraphs in Un Ho Bun's book are virtually impossible to mimic as those that know the set will understand, and those who have tried to follow it just from the pictures will also understand.

Good or bad, well that's up to the individual to decide, but the point about my training comment is that Pak Mei is one of those arts that is literally impossible to even gain a flavour for through words. You really do, - old chestnut that this may be - , have to see it and feel it.

One of difficulties I face in the discussion in this particular context is that the exact differences between for example the Pak Mei part of another art and the Pak Mei in and of itself is that it IS so very very different. You will have to take my word here that the reason for discussion about those differences is literally nothing whatsoever about chest beating who 'has' the real deal.
It is highlighted in the 'chi gung' issue. One voice says one thing and the other says the polar opposite.
An interesting read can be had on these very issues within a couple of recent books; Yandle's Pak Mei : A Dedication, and S.L. Fung's : Pak Mei.

I can respect that view and when put this way, I agree with it.
Perhaps I am a bit "scarred" by the fact that too many here try to hide behind their animity to make themselves seem more than they are.
I didn't mean to offend you, I just wanted to take a stand on an issue that tends to plague our beloved TCMA's.

[Jorge]

Lai See,

Pak Mei releases energy via the internal. The HHBB posture, due to pulling in of the stomach brings the organs close to the spine, as we use the spine to relay and magnify the energy. Now the spine pulls energy from the a)organs b) dan tian? I have heard both! Which is right and which is wrong, thats for you to decide as I've come to my own reality. Also, it helps to mention that the posture activates an internal pump, of which it is said that we have three. Which internal pump does it activate?

Now, I understand that PM is an internal/external art and I present no arguement to that, but to say that PM has internal development like an internal art is wrong.

In order to fully develope your internal you needs meds. Its like trying to develope sticky hands without some type of chi sao or just doing chi sao to the air.

Understand, that the principles that govern PM is nothing new. All styles of southern mantis follow the same principles as PM, yet they have chi gung. Shhhh, Tai Chi shares some principles with PM and they have chi gungs.

Again, I'm not saying that PM has no internal. What I am saying, is that from my experience PM lacks on internal developement. Also, to consider Jik Bo as a chi gung is not 100% correct.

How many Iron palm methods does your school train? Does your school train iron jacket or does it go beyond that?

Bless,

buby

[Lai See]

I can respect that view and when put this way, I agree with it.
Perhaps I am a bit "scarred" by the fact that too many here try to hide behind their animity to make themselves seem more than they are.
I didn't mean to offend you, I just wanted to take a stand on an issue that tends to plague our beloved TCMA's.

Thank you for your honesty and for your answer.

[Jorge]

Sorry, it didn't let me edit my response.

So are you saying that GZ PM is different than HK PM?

Also, in YKM our PM is seperate to our Yau Kung Sup Batt Suerng Toy Juerng. As a matter of fact, only a few get to learn the YKSBSTJ.

What do you consider the 4 core sets? and were the core sets handed down from the monk?

I know I ask a lot of questions, but maybe you can address these.


Thanks in advance,

Jorge/Buby

[Jorge]

Also, I don't think mmy brother and I are saying two different things. He might be touching on more topics then me, but with regards to the Jik Bo being chi gung, or as benefical, I think we are in agreement.

Buby

[Tiger on Duty]

IMO the 3 core aspassesed 2 clc are Jik Bo, 9 step, saapbhat mor kiu. Tiger comes down could be considered the 4th. All else is filler.

[Yum Cha]

I am glad that you got my message, which means I won't need to repeat it again and since it was direct to EVERYONE in general ( I am a tad tired of people coming into DISCUSSION forums and NOT discussing anything other than HINTS of thier supposed uber-knowledge), I hope that all got the message too.

Ahem... I don't believe I have ever 'hinted' at uber-knowledge.... I've outright claimed it!

You are ALL worthless and weak, because I have the Pei Mei 5 finger exploding heart death touch.

Don't mess with me, or I'll send chi balls of impotence to hunt you down.

[Tiger on Duty]

Pls stop that yum cha this is serious,

















I've already this week had 2 double my Viagra because of your blazing balls of impotence.