Well, if those are my 10 rules, if that's my blueprint, then yeah.Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin
And why aren't you guys honoring the Sabbath and taking off on SATURDAY??? Buncha hethens in this place.
Loud City
Well, if those are my 10 rules, if that's my blueprint, then yeah.
And why aren't you guys honoring the Sabbath and taking off on SATURDAY??? Buncha hethens in this place.
Last edited by MasterKiller; 03-09-2010 at 02:08 PM.
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Is very uneasy
Wrong again.
What part of "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life." is the "culture of fear" you speak of?
When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams
Is very uneasy
I'm still waiting for you to show us all the hate in the 10 Commandments....
When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams
Is very uneasy
MK, I noticed every Verse you brought up is Old Testament. FYI, Christians believe the New Testament is how we should live our lives. They look at the Old Testament mostly for history.
You did know this, right? I figure someone who posts Scripture like you do must have studied it extensively. Or you just know how to Google well.
When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams
Loud City
If you believe in the NEW Testament, why are you using OLD Testament commandments as a blue print for your life?MK, I noticed every Verse you brought up is Old Testament. FYI, Christians believe the New Testament is how we should live our lives. They look at the Old Testament mostly for history.
You did know this, right? I figure someone who posts Scripture like you do must have studied it extensively. Or you just know how to Google well.
Can you show me where those exact quotes are in the bible, because the ones I used are. You are paraphrasing three different sections, each of which never uses the exact list you used, but one of which explicitly states not to boil a baby goat in it's mother's milk, which seems like a pretty odd commandment on which I should base my life.I'm still waiting for you to show us all the hate in the 10 Commandments....
Last edited by MasterKiller; 03-09-2010 at 02:34 PM.
He most honors my style who learns under it to destroy the teacher. -- Walt Whitman
Itinerant practitioner
cherry picking the bible eh? lol
Leviticus is the book you're looking for (again) on what to do about gays.
I believe we are supposed to stone them as well due to their being abominations before god.
Christianity isn't based on teh ten commandments. IN fact, the OT is decidely jewish end to end. It is a set of Jewish texts dealing with jewish matters of religion and faith.
the new testament is for the christians. the old testamnet is to give them a reference when they want to understand where Rabbi Yeshua Bar Joseph (Jesus) was getting his guidelines for teaching from.
Many who proclaim themselves "Christian" cannot grasp this. they do not see themselves as an offshoot or spin off of being jews. Many cannot even accoet that Jesus was a jew and all his apostles were jews and all his early followers were jews and that Christianity itself was a form of Judaism right up until Constantine, the Roman emperor took that flavour of jewish and made it the official religion of the roman empire.
But, history doesn't seem to matter to a lot of people anymore. They just want to hold onto their peculiar brand of judging the world around them and will do exactly that to suit their mood or will that day (cherry pick the bible that is)
i challenge any Christian to be a better Christian and to be a humanist as guided by Jesus's own words. If you need to ask how Jesus addressed our humanity and how best to live within it, then you need to read the gospels again.
don't be shallow! go deep! it's worth it and when I say go deep i don't mean give in or give yourself up. really study it because it is very cool and you will learn a lot about humanity in general by actually reading a bible as opposed to skimming it looking for talking points and argument closers.
Kung Fu is good for you.
Is very uneasy
Read how I described them again please. Some things changed after Jesus came to Earth, some did not. He never said to not follow the Commandments. However, he did preach forgiveness for sinners who repented. The Old Testament was more of God's wrath when angered in terms of sins.
Again, what Biblical/religious studies have you done? Or are you just one of those who despises Christianity, but tries to selectively use certain verses (from a book you do not believe in no less) to back your arguments up?
Not sure what you are asking for?
When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams
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I respect some people's religion.
BUT,
If you're Christian, you have to face the fact that, in most Christian lands, until very recently, it would have been a death sentence to form an atheists club in a community. Even through the first two-thirds of the twentieth century in America, being an atheist of any influence would have very serious negative repercussions.
I'm not saying these are your views, but unless you tore the pages out of your Bible saying all non-believers go to hell, gays go to hell, women are to be treated as property, then you are on very poor ground for this fight. I'm not saying you necessarily believe any of those things, but if those pages still stand DESPITE your belief, in YOUR copy of YOUR Bible, you can't complain when others point them out just because you don't look at them...
That said, any good idea from any text, mystical, religious, or otherwise, humans wrote and humans can make use of. But there is no meeting ground between "we all worship the same thing" and "only by accepting Jesus can you go to heaven" without clarifying which part of the second you don't agree with, and moderates almost always fail to do this.
Is very uneasy
Correct.
But again I ask (not you of course), what is so hateful about the 10 Commandments? Is stealing now ok? Is it cool to murder people now? Is it ok to cheat on your spouse now?
When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams
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Is it not cool to worship other Gods?
Is very uneasy
Can you give some examples of this?
As far as I know, it's not the Christians beheading people with other religious beliefs. It's not Christians killing women who don't cover themselves entirely. We don't kill women who are raped. We don't chop off people's hands for stealing. OTHER religion(s) do, but you don't see Christians doing that stuff.
When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams
Is very uneasy
God still does not like that. Sorry man.
When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams
Loud City
That's a copout so you can cherrypick the parts you like (God destroying Soddom, for example) and neglect the parts you don't (eating shellfish and getting to marry girls you rape, for example).
Actually, Jesus DOES address this. But you don't like this part, huh?He never said to not follow the Commandments. However, he did preach forgiveness for sinners who repented. The Old Testament was more of God's wrath when angered in terms of sins.
Now someone approached him and said, "Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life?"
He answered him, "Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good. If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."
He asked him, "Which ones?" And Jesus replied, " 'You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; honor your father and your mother'; and 'you shall love your neighbor as yourself.'"
The young man said to him, "All of these I have observed. What do I still lack?"
Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to (the) poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
When the young man heard this statement, he went away sad, for he had many possessions.
Ad hominem much?Again, what Biblical/religious studies have you done? Or are you just one of those who despises Christianity, but tries to selectively use certain verses (from a book you do not believe in no less) to back your arguments up?
The list of 10 you posted never appears in those words. You paraphrased three different sections to arrive at that list, basically cherry picking the ones that make sense and leaving out the ones that don't.Not sure what you are asking for?
He most honors my style who learns under it to destroy the teacher. -- Walt Whitman
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Okay, I'll list some centuries, and you reply with the ones in which it would have been okay to form a club that said there was no God in a Christian land.
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Seven Star Prophet
Are you saying that because Christ died on the cross no one, even nonbelievers, will go to hell?Wrong again.
What part of "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life." is the "culture of fear" you speak of?
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Are you saying that ONLY those who accept Christ aren't going to hell, so you better believeth in him or he'll **** you up.
That's the culture of fear I'm talking about.
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