tao te ching

[Hendrik]

Hello Hendrik my friend.... good to see you in here again!

This may not culturally translate well, but...

While the song does not reverberate thru my mind (while) in taiji .... it does and has thru out my life ever since the beatles sang it.... I've been a closet daoist all these years and never knew it. They did spend a few years in India right about then....

Skip,

For decades I thought I understood, and also I visit and follow some New Age masters....etc. listen to their lectures....etc.

Until, I was shown enter into the silence by a few true cultivators, that open my eyes. and conclude that 95% of practice out there is non conclusive.


For example, if one could enter into Wu Wei or Silence or Beingness......ect. One's physical body got to transform and improve. there is no question about it. So, be it Taiji or TCM, can one enter into this silence is very critical.

I didnt want to argue last time on healing in the other post where others fault finding and trying to prof me wrong no matter what I post.

The reason is if one has attain the silence of the Water and Fire balancing. Health Got to imporve. The ancient uses the six healing sound to get one into the Water and Fire balancing state. and it can be done. however, too many has not know these practice.


In TCM it said, Tien Tan Xi Wu, Zhen Qi Choong Tze, Pin aan her lai. or When one enter the state of silence, Zhen Qi will activate and grow, Sickness/imbalancing has no place in this condition.


So, I brought all these information out because most so called Taiji or TCM practitioners are actually following the Western mind set instead of energy practice. These people thus has no confident in their practice because their practice is just a patch up or nice philosophical empty talks and cant go into the core.




The bottom line, Dao is nothing about culture but state one needs to enter, boundary one needs to let go.

[Skip J.]

Thank you Hendrik;

Some fault me here for stirring up trouble just to see where it leads; and I admit to very politely poking some folks in the eye with a sharp stick from time-to-time, so my reputation might be deserved somewhat. I do apologize if it has caused you some trouble because of it.

Myself, I don't read about daoism, I don't practice daoism; when I do read the Tao te Ching and I Ching I just notice that some of that sounds just like me. I don't "do" it on purpose, I have always been that way my whole life. I had to start letting attachments go when I was very young, and have had to ever since. I never, never chose to do so; I was always forced to do so by events out of my control. Awhile back I found myself becoming too attached to taijiquan and had to back off to get a proper perspective.

My thought process has been "Let It Be" long before the Beatles wrote the song... and that was a very long time ago. I can just barely remember the years '51 and '52; and I was that way then. I am not daoist and don't plan to be... but, descriptions of daoism sounds like the me that is... maybe not, it doesn't matter.

Part of letting go these past ten years with my grandsons' Type 1 DB is letting go of the anger and frustration of dealing with the medical industry. I said before and I say again, there's lots of very good folks on the front lines dealing with our grandson. We are very grateful to them all! But trying to make the doctor/hospital/insurance problem work out will drive any sane person crazy. It just so happens I was about as mad as I ever get the other day and took out on here. I did come back and apologize tho.

[Hendrik]

Skip,

1, no worry, be yourself.

2, The mind is a problematic things. It creates more misery for us then liberation until we can go beyond it and use it.

3, the Let Go usual people think is not really let go, due to the storage energy is still there. when one fill the environment force one to let go, that is not letting go. IMHO.

4, as for sickness...etc, life is imperfect, the western medicine trying to help however since everything setting up by the mind is limited, it broughts lots of suffering to the sick. Sometimes others mean good but the side effect is huge.


5, The reason I keep mention silence and water/fire balancing state because that is the state if one get in, healing would sure taking place, and repairing/balancing/improving/transformation happen.

Certainly, human has a life span, however, to deal with something long term instead of emergency, if human could learn this water/fire balancing state, then it is a great plus on one's health and solving some of the root cause issues or transforming the root cause to something one can handle. relying on Qigong practice or meditation which is self sufficient is much better then external aids where might or might not work based on experiments /trial/erro and lots of fear. EI, if some expert announce one got a certain disease even if the expert is wrong, as soon as the person believe , that is the dead trap of asking the person's mind to generate that disease.

In WWII period of China, there are lots of stories that some commond cold patients are diagnosis as TBC and some TBC are diagnosis as commond cold, the patients diagnosis as TBC mostly died because they believe in it.

And sure we have late GM Chen Man-Ching who heal himself from TBC at that era which consider cannot be heal in Western medicine view at that time.

Why late GM Chen can do that? what scientific prove? But he healed.

So, IMHO, the bottom line is heaven and earth has the way for every living beings to live, it is up to one to find this way. it certainly not easy but there must be a way.

Others I respect are

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Hay
and
http://www.money-health-relationship...-levenson.html

Who I found they set a great example of practicing Dao with action. they know how to manage their mind and they know silence.


See, why limit oneself via all kind of theories ? those type of act sure will satisfy one's desire of control. but it also set one in the doom. That is not Dao that is dead trap.




just some thoughts.

[Skip J.]

Thank you Hendrik;

The story of GM Chen Man-Ching is very cool!

I am a "practitioner" of affirmations for stress relief and relaxation for over 30 years.
The reason I will not teach this, even in my own family is because it it so very powerful, it is dangerous. I have seen it used on subjects for quitting smoking and weight loss. Some of the weight loss folks couldn't start eating again and became anorexic (sp?).

[taai gihk yahn]

when one cant discuss the subject with confident, that is where personal attack starts.

LOL, you just described yourself to a tee!

[Hendrik]

Thank you Hendrik;

The story of GM Chen Man-Ching is very cool!

I am a "practitioner" of affirmations for stress relief and relaxation for over 30 years.
The reason I will not teach this, even in my own family is because it it so very powerful, it is dangerous. I have seen it used on subjects for quitting smoking and weight loss. Some of the weight loss folks couldn't start eating again and became anorexic (sp?).

Skip,

In the same era with GM Chen, there is another person who is very famous cure himself from TBC within 100 days via meditaion. This person's name is Chiang Ciao-Wei who later teaching his meditation method.

At the time of GM Chen and GM Chiang, What Western specialist expert to endose the old TCM practice? none.

But these GM follow the old practice of get into the silence and let the body taking care of itself. and it works.


Great to know you practice affirmation.

In my experience,
The Silence practice is one level deeper then the affirmation because it first scan to release or letting go the energy hold inside ; after the clean up, if one decide to manifest then affirm what one intended to create.

one needs to enter the silence or beingness to let go the hold on. if one cover the hold on with affirmation, that will become a struggle and the result will be mixed or depend on the intensity of the will. However, when enter into the silence, let go becomes effortless because the NON attachement is the default of the beingness.


Thus, this is what the Dao De Jing said:


無 名 天 地 之 始 ﹔

Beyond could be identifying with mind is the origin of heaven and earth.

This means one needs to go beyond the mind. Mind is a creation machine, one needs to go beyond the mind to be "beingness" or the origin. Mind doesnt know Beingness because Beingnes is "be" and beyond " know, aware, think, identifying....."


有 名 萬 物 之 母 。


able to identify with mind is the source give birth to millions of things.

This means all things are created with mind.




故 常 無 ， 欲 以 觀 其 妙 ﹔

Thus, being in boundless, the intention to let go the mind and enter into the boundless is to observe the wonderful beyond creation.
This means dropping the mind one will "be" the wonderful beyond creation.

Or as in the west said, Let Go and Let God "Be".



常 有 ， 欲 以 觀 其 徼 。

focus on limits/bounday, the intention of focus the mind is to observe the creation/manifestation.

focus the mind and creation/manifestation begun, for mind is the machine to create.




此 兩 者 ， 同 出 而 異 名 ， 同 謂 之 玄 。

Both Being in boundless and focus the mind, they are from the same source although human using different identity/terms to describe them. They are from the same source means non dual.


This means, to be totally free, one needs to be in non dual. and to be in non dual means no attachement to either beings or mind, for one is the "body" and one is the " application" of the body. Similar to a coin with two faces. To be free, liberate, "be" with the Dao, one doesnt make discrimination of the two, one doesnt attached to both.


just some thougths to share.

[Hendrik]

LOL, you just described yourself to a tee!

I totally approve of your opinion.

[Hendrik]

The beauty of Dao.


------- From the song of enligthement ------

LET THE FOUR ELEMENTS GO, DO NOT GRASP AT THEM.

THE NATURE OF STILL QUIESCENCE ACCORDS WITH DRINKING AND EATING.

ALL ACTIVITIES ARE IMPERMANENT; EVERYTHING IS EMPTY.

THAT IS THE GREAT AND PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT OF THE THUS COME ONE.


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Practice and be free and write your own Dao De Jing.

[Scott R. Brown]

With this type of logic, it said alots about your mind pattern isnt it?

Best Wishes and hope somedays you realize.

Since you are only specubating, your opinion is worthless!

when one cant discuss the subject with confident, that is where personal attack starts.

Which is worse, the direct expression of one's disgust with another person, or YOUR poorly veiled passive/aggressive insults?

I totally approve of your opinion.

NO ONE cares about your approval, NO ONE needs your approval, or that of your master, who has clearly led you into deeper attachment!

[Scott R. Brown]

The beauty of Dao.


------- From the song of enligthement ------

LET THE FOUR ELEMENTS GO, DO NOT GRASP AT THEM.

THE NATURE OF STILL QUIESCENCE ACCORDS WITH DRINKING AND EATING.

ALL ACTIVITIES ARE IMPERMANENT; EVERYTHING IS EMPTY.

THAT IS THE GREAT AND PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT OF THE THUS COME ONE.


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Practice and be free and write your own Dao De Jing.

It is unfortunate you continue to write/quote speculative translations!

Aren't you the one who said:

...there is no needs for 100000 translation and causing misleading.

Which means you continue to mislead people even while criticizing others for writing translations.

Why do you think it is that everyone else can see your hypocrisy and yet you are blind to it?

Perhaps it is your own "spinning dream fantasy rainbow mind" that creates your confusion and causes you to project that confusion onto others!

[taai gihk yahn]

I totally approve of your opinion.

why can't you just be honest? it's CLEARLY APPARENT that you do not approve of my opinion - what you are doing here is called being DISMISSIVE of my opinion, and you KNOW that that is what you are doing; you do it constantly with others, usually at the point where you don't have an argumentative leg to stand on - so resort to your "acceptance" tactic;

it's lame, Hendrick, really, really lame;

man, at least I am being honest when I say I disagree with your opinion; you on the other hand lack the decency to be honorable and forthright in the way you comport yourself on here; and that is truly shameful;

shame on you, Hendrick; shame;

[Hendrik]

hahaha,

you both certainly hates me and will do anything to attack me.

Thanks for your help!

I always can make use of your attacks to fine tune my cultivation.

The question is not you or anyone, but can I enter into silence at will with any kind of attacks.
It is my own reincarnation which I need to break, you are just a reflection which I allow within my beingness. it is a good test to allow you to surface and see if I got disturb or I stay as it is.


Honestly, Thanks! Thanks! my good knowledge advisors.

Love Love!

[Scott R. Brown]

hahaha,

you both certainly hates me and will do anything to attack me.

Thanks for your help!

I always can make use of your attacks to fine tune my cultivation.

The question is not you or anyone, but can I enter into silence at will with any kind of attacks.


Honestly, Thanks!

Love Love!

Actually Hendrik if you think anyone hates you, you have WAY to big of a sense of self-importance!

We don't care two cents about you. You are entertainment and part of the interplay of Tao with itself, which provides an opportunity to learn and grow if one has a bit of insight.

We interact with you because it is Dharma play, especially with self-important fools who criticize others for doing what they themselves do!

You are a walking joke and you do not recognize it. You play your passive/aggressive games and are ignorant of your own ignorance!

If it wasn't fun we wouldn't be wasting our time with you!

P.S. It is good that you use our interactions to fine tune your cultivation, it requires A LOT of cultivation!

[taai gihk yahn]

hahaha,

you both certainly hates me and will do anything to attack me.

Gollum? is that you?!?

Thanks for your help!

I always can make use of your attacks to fine tune my cultivation.

The question is not you or anyone, but can I enter into silence at will with any kind of attacks.


Honestly, Thanks!

hey, you're welcome! in fact, I for one ammore than happy to be able to continually help you enter into silence any time you feel the urge to post on the forum in the future; as such, I hope that from now on, anytime you do have the desire to post again, that you think of my burning hatred for you, and that this will help you move yourself away from the computer and back to your meditation cushion for more fine tuning!
if you never post again, I will know that you have made good use of my hatred and turned it into profound silence - which means more karmic merit for me, yipeeee!!!!

[Scott R. Brown]

hey, you're welcome! in fact, I for one ammore than happy to be able to continually help you enter into silence any time you feel the urge to post on the forum in the future; as such, I hope that from now on, anytime you do have the desire to post again, that you think of my burning hatred for you, and that this will help you move yourself away from the computer and back to your meditation cushion for more fine tuning!
if you never post again, I will know that you have made good use of my hatred and turned it into profound silence - which means more karmic merit for me, yipeeee!!!!

I wish I had as much burning hate as you so I could gain some karmic merit too!

I bet you can gain even more karmic merit if you shared it with others!

I also wish I was soooooo impotent.....er....important that others hated me as much as we hate hendrik, ha ha!

Then it would motivate me to put others into their own eternal silence!!!