Thanks for yor response...very interesting. But I dont mean point fighting or one step rules. I mean free flowing techniques where you go at it. I have seen full contact fights with TKD and Kyoshukin go head to head. No points just straight sparring. An also a chinese kung fu monkey style who knew nothing of fighting, going against a karate guy.
But yes a fight not a drill or scenario techniques. Because in fighting you can not predict what techniques you will be able to use or which ones will even work!
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LoneTiger108
Why?
What is it you hope to discover by seeing that?
I think anyone that is versed in Wing Chun can decide to fight any way they like, or at least that's what I have seen over the years. Principles and methods are adapted to each individual, so there doesn't seem to be a unified approach to fighting with Wing Chun, which is cool imho as it just makes us all that little bit more unpredictable
Showing how Tan Da works in a one-step environment against a Karate guys lunge punch is a little bit eighties really but I guess you're asking to see a fight, not scenario based techniques?
OOh Well if someone is saying their WC is the closet to real deal holyfield. I suggest a showcase of the authenicity in fighting and or sparring. True Gung Fu is in fighting. Because after all thats what you train to do. Is it not? Its not in Kicking boards, breaking bricks, showing how many punches you can throw in the air in seven seconds. Its not how much weight you can bench press, how many push ups you can do in a minute. Its not showing how strong your chi is by moving objects from far away or extinguishing a candle from four feet away. Its not how good you do a form or how well you can chi sau against someone who is not as good as chi sau as you are or someone who doesn't know chi sau....
The purpose of doing WC which is infact a street fighting art is to fight. The only way one can measure their gung fu against others is by fighting with it. Sparring is the only constant or variable that doesn't change. Doing Chi Sau against tai chi master is not fair. Because the Tai Chi Master doesn't know the game, Doing Point fighting against boxer is not fair because a boxer doesn't know the game, Doing push hands against a Wing Chun sifu isn't fair because a WC guy doesn't know tui shou...
The only thing all these arts have in common is sparring. Free sparring is the only way to deem which indiviual has the most skill at adapting his game to free fighting and subduing his opponent with his system's techniques and principles.
So when someone says my Gung Fu, My MMA, My Karate, My Boxing, By WC is the best. I say there is only one way to prove it true...
No System of fighting is the best. Maybe best for you. But its up to indiviual to be the best not the style of system. If you have no fighting skills. Why even talk about how real deal holyfield what your doing is. Because it is utterly useless. You can't use it in real life or in a controlled setting where you have to fight.
Its like a woman saying she has the best BJ skills in the world. Her head game is so phemnomal she can make any man pre ejactulate under a minute so hard he will fall out an go to sleep right away. How would you believe her unless she put her lips on you an make you explode in seven seconds flat?
Instead of proving to you she can do what she says. She does little training exercises to show her skills. Like slide a cumcumber down her throat with out gagging. Make her tongue touch the bottom of her chin, suck a golf ball through garden hose. These are fine tricks but all they show is she is skilled at doing impressive training exercises and doesn't prove she is good as actually giving head!
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Vajramusti
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Best not to go off track. Moshe's post set off for the most part a nice discussion on wing chun
forms, training and techniques. There are many ways to fight.
While Moshe thinks that Ng Chan was the main person who got the real deal- I disagree.
But the discussion and Chee's translations brings out the important work of a first generation Ip man student.
joy chaudhuri
The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.
"Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."
"Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."
"Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"
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but it is now clear to me where you stand on your view of Wing Chun.
