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  1. #181
    For information,beside the fact that I provided the right comment concerning the dummy
    There is no in south china,trees with hard wood
    For the wood furniture they import from Thailand and birmanie

    By the way. That's was ng chan who was teaching to moy yat. Wiliam cheung and bruce lee under the supervision of yip man of course
    Look if the son of moy yat or for others with wiliAm cheung
    The precedent Chinese post and soon an another will follow
    even ask them

    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOSHE View Post
    That's was ng chan who was teaching to moy yat.
    Moy Yat had respect for Ng Chan. But the SiHing who taught him the most was Mak Po. Of course, your comment is irrelevant anyway.


    Also, LOL @ poor southern Chinese peasants being able to afford imported wood furniture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan View Post
    At the moment, you're the one up past midnight demonstrating degraded reading skills while responding, so you tell me. ;P
    I think you'll find I live in a different time zone you numpty!! If I was Kevin I would have been round your gaff months ago!! Actions speak louder than words and whilst I enjoy bickering on this forum sometimes when the attacks are personal it's time for a bit of seriousness dont you think??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham H View Post
    I think you'll find I live in a different time zone you numpty!! If I was Kevin I would have been round your gaff months ago!! Actions speak louder than words and whilst I enjoy bickering on this forum sometimes when the attacks are personal it's time for a bit of seriousness dont you think??

    GH
    You're cute when you're posturing.

    I took into consideration you are in a different time zone. That's how I knew what time it was where you are when you posted. As far as personal attacks, your whole style of talking is comprised of personal attacks. I don't put much stake in what your saying, so I don't pay it much mind. As far as what I say, I don't see where I made any personal attacks. That would be slipping into Ad hominem and I usually don't bother with it.

    So, unless anything I said about you was was 1) true, 2) insulting, and 3) you also don't like people talking it, I can't say what you'd be upset about. So, if you want to be serious, enlighten me: what did I say which was a personal attack?
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    Guys can you please open a new thread for your conversation and please cancel the lastest one from yesterday
    The purpose of this thread is not to insult or to hurt the ego but to inform about our own background of wing Chun even if certain people are not pleased with it

    Thanks by advance
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    Don't forget I'm not English speaker so I'm sorry for the way I express myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan View Post
    At the moment, you're the one up past midnight demonstrating degraded reading skills while responding, so you tell me. ;P
    Graham's post preceding this one was at 22:43 UK time, whilst yours was 38mins past midnight UK time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFT View Post
    Graham's post preceding this one was at 22:43 UK time, whilst yours was 38mins past midnight UK time.
    Fair enough. I messed up the time zone offset for the UK from where I am by two additional hours forward.

    So what did I mistakenly call him? Greek? Turkish?
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    最流行忽悠你的咏春问题

    几拾年,都没有留意咏春拳的走向,约二年前,无意中一看,原来有很多忽悠。[让那些有思考能力的人自已分析,不认同者,请一笑而过。]现例举一些。
    1, 二字钳羊马,要提肛。恐怖。[男同性x者,可能很开心],咏春不是打 铁线拳,不是形意拳.所谓提肛,双腿就会僵硬,从而马步走不快,[也难怪,根本不懂走马].
    咏春拳之小谂头[不是小念头]二字钳羊马,为基本马步,练习身体整体在搏斗时平衡,所以,身体整体应该是放松,[放松,在中国功夫里,有特定意义]..如果不明白,找个女性,叫她站个二字钳羊马,有没有必要提肛.
    2, 念力.念是谂的发音之误会,[佛山,监步,南海,广洲等一带,各有自已口音],咏春拳要有本身的特色力量,即所谓咏春力[中国功夫之所以家数多,就是因为人体可以用不同的姿态发出不同的具大力量,所谓招式,就是为了更完善地施展 力量.].咏春力是打击穿透力,桥手力.[李小龙是他那代非传人里唯一能打出穿透力的人,但,他没有桥手力].小谂头其实最重要就是要训练人们能够形成咏春拳力,动作构成,目光注向,身体平衡,马步实而不死.。所以 ,念是没有力的。要静练,让大脑能控制肌肉。
    3, 咏春拳不需要用力,天大忽悠。拳术最重要是力。看岭南拳术,洪拳特性-挑,劈。撞,工字伏虎,一指定中原其盘桥而指插喉。咏春无力能对打?当年找钱华与黄飞鸿交手,黄挑,华伏。 挑不动,再用力。华转而圈拍黄手挣,定胜负。侠家拳练习时穿边石锁,臂力强大。白眉拳吞胸捎基背,九步推, 背剑手,力量非常。南踪螂勾手,凤眼拳,马步丁不丁,八不八,吞胸收肘。龙形的爪,魔桥的九步推扭马双掌打 。蔡李佛左右寻拿,挂捎插,送肩偷漏手,到谭三的北胜左右插拳加脚,全都力量十足。并且岭南拳术不讲内外家 ,基本不讲气功。
    4, 三套拳里的起式,原为洪门反清的特定手势[有别于身前出三指的’三点水’手势]双手交叉.的心在汉土[洪为汉字失去中土为洪]而说成什么挡脚等。
    5, 直拳,今天误叫冲拳。双手连环直拳,打成交叉手状。咏春直拳最难打,不能送肩,手臂独立,¬要发得出打击穿 透力,严格来讲,基本上无人。冲拳是撞力,并且要用身体力加在一起,例如太极的般拦拳,形意的冲劈拳等。直 拳打得不好,就成了推力。咏春最忌交叉手,而咏春最少有三种不同的--破中间手。这种所谓冲拳,一个破中手,即死。
    6, 肘归中。咏春拳是拳由中心发,不是肘由中心发。一,女人有乳房[虽然清朝女人普遍束胸]这样归肘,有可能吗?二,这个肘归中,不可能手臂有力,作为摊手,根本出不到。成为死动作。.
    7, 蒙眼chi手.。搏斗,眼到手到,眼明手快,从来没有人可以蒙着眼搏斗,绝对大忽悠。
    8, 地下摔打,别人倒在地上,骑在人身上不停地打。咏春是女人,清代男女有别分得清楚,咏春需要贴身摔别人?笑 话,咏春拳把对手打到断手断脚,易如反掌,把对手打跌于地上,只要用脚迫马,拍脚,踏脚轻易之至,何况摔? 再者,死里求生八脚,足以应付倒地打到再起身。摔这个也是大忽悠。
    9, chi手。现时所谓chi手,完全大忽悠,那些假教练骗人最好方法,两个大男人,你摸他手,互双摸,毫无手 法,马步,软手软脚,站都站不稳。
    咏春chi手其实是自己练习好手法,师傅带着你上马,转马,简单过手,从而进一步练习对打。师傅引导,辅导 你把学习到的手法去进攻师傅,而不是师傅打学生。在chi手过程中,指出错误,以实践证明对错。单纯动作, 可以说毫无意义,必须涉及力,角度,马步姿态的正确,马步的高或低,对走马,上马绝对有影垧。拳术搏斗,在 走动中是否可以发得出所需力量,至为重要。如果缺少这些,就是大忽悠。
    10, 刀,每个咏春大师都表演。但,我可以绝对讲,都是忽悠。先看刀形

    开山刀态。这绝对错,冷兵嚣不会有这错误形状。双方兵器接触,这个形状会把对方兵刃滑向自已,非常危险。另 外,咏春刀主要用腕力,这刀形,手腕都脱掉,根本发不出短劲力。

    最基本得象这双刀形,并且较短,以便双手间运转。刀法有如手法,左右攻击,刀剌,斩,圈,捆,耕,梆,拍, 反。快速走马,脚法配合,扣夺兵器等,对付长短兵器,整体完善,生死拼杀之器,何来这样无马无步,无力,空 位百出。
    拜托各位大师,不要再忽悠,收起那些刀,如果不是传人,你是绝对不懂的,而且,也绝对没有用刀的力,也不懂 走马,如有不服,试试在单头棍前,一步斩到持棍者,走走你的咏春拳马。
    11,木人桩,目前最忽悠人的咏春拳道具。看个桩形图片。

    对,都是一枝身,三支手,一只前弓步脚。[注意,前弓步脚]所以,第一个己错,前弓后箭马,前弓绝对不是这个样子的。所以,我说人们不懂走马,这样怎能走左走右?椿身 有如人身,直径23-25cm。上面双手,距离不能超过椿身,双身之间矩离内为4英寸左右,因为咏春运作双手不出身体。

    整个木人椿高度有严格要求。
    咏春木人椿最早是入地椿,后来严咏春都把椿手打断,才改成挂椿,从而改变力道。
    岭南拳术,大多创立清代,作为反清使命,所以非常注重桥手力量,因为对手多切为北方拳术,而北方拳术,多数 缺少这方面。所以,咏春打椿,定要用力,不然,那须用这么硬的木?所以,下面的相片的木人椿, 绝对是忽悠。


    这样的椿,小孩都推倒,怎样打?
    12, 关门弟子。叶问宗师。这个是凉亭的大忽悠。叶问从来没有收过徒弟,学生叫他师父都不喜欢,而令愿人们叫他‘ 老野’,[广东话,即老头]。把叶问叫作宗师,是他的一个阴谋。宗师的关门弟子,借以提高自己,此人极具心计,以懂英文帮咏春体育会英 文书信来往为名接近叶问[当时体育会只有李文为中文秘书]。
    咏春拳之所以特殊,起源于反清,创立此拳目的用于护守组织,追杀叛徙,所以,绝对以杀人为目的,手段狠毒, 从创立开始,已经明确,对手为绝对练武之人,可以说各家各派,己包括在内。基于上术原因,不适合普及大众, 自梁赞起,教人算多,公开者,为陈华顺。继承者为梁壁,即传人。所以,不收徙,不称师傅,不拜祖师,不设神 位。[有人称小念头什么三拜佛,笑料,神位都不设,何来拜佛?]学过的中外学生对我说的同一句话是,这样狠毒的拳,千万不要随便教人。
    传人都具有能修习咏春拳的天份,[天份如何?小谂头的第一节能练得准确,如果不能,基本上其他不用了]专心,苦心,不能出名,坚守诺言,斩生鸡头烧黄纸发毒誓。
    何为专心?小谂头就是叫你不要问,只要练。因为,全中国唯一的一套拳,从头到尾站在原地不动到完成,一问, 十年都说不清楚。
    苦心苦练,怎样苦?举个例,吾师叫‘鬼脚灿’.。为什么?现时的人见泰拳什么踢树。小菜一碟,唔师练的九华 径踢松树。小的我虽然不好,但小腿上下五寸,不怕一拼。
    不能出名。吾师一生不出名,叶问对人说,学咏春去广洲找郭富,本身是忽悠你[所以,别以为视频有什么]吾师在香港。吾师绝对苦练,对比两人手腕就知道,黄荛东与吾师chi手视频,相信当时黄师傅举手都难,吾师 手有多重?但吾师尚末有用力。陈华顺与梁壁的咏春拳分别在那里?简单来说,陈华顺发不出咏春力,只有体力的 力。梁壁说,什么叫功夫一山还有一山高?他就一生没有见过所谓育高山,与人交手,从末多用过三下而胜。梁壁 是穿透打击力,奇大的桥手力。
    现代社会,通讯发达,很多人以谎言说一百次成真理来抵毁中国文化。如武术上象赵道新之流。井底之徙。中国武 术之伟大在于对力量力学的绝对透切表现。[中国人有三样例子,一,飞马踏燕,二,赵洲桥。三,对驳壳枪的使用。全世界的人,都没法使用此枪作准确射击 ,只有中国人,很多,能。这足以证明中华民族对力学牛B.
    有人说,形意拳劈拳力大,.。咏春拳相对下,拳的力量比它大。我见山西农村练劈拳时同时摆桩撞前小腿。而我 们撞松村。真正懂的人,会明白我想说。
    最后,用我的咏春拳心得来结束,,,,,
    狠准快劲
    来留去送
    甩手直冲
    拳由心发
    以进代退
    手脚并用
    神聚体松

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOSHE View Post
    最流行忽悠你的咏春问题

    几拾年,都没有留意咏春拳的走向,约二年前,无意中一看,原来有很多忽悠。[让那些有思考能力的人自已分析,不认同者,请一笑而过。]现例举一些。
    1, 二字钳羊马,要提肛。恐怖。[男同性x者,可能很开心],咏春不是打 铁线拳,不是形意拳.所谓提肛,双腿就会僵硬,从而马步走不快,[也难怪,根本不懂走马].
    咏春拳之小谂头[不是小念头]二字钳羊马,为基本马步,练习身体整体在搏斗时平衡,所以,身体整体应该是放松,[放松,在中国功夫里,有特定意义]..如果不明白,找个女性,叫她站个二字钳羊马,有没有必要提肛.
    2, 念力.念是谂的发音之误会,[佛山,监步,南海,广洲等一带,各有自已口音],咏春拳要有本身的特色力量,即所谓咏春力[中国功夫之所以家数多,就是因为人体可以用不同的姿态发出不同的具大力量,所谓招式,就是为了更完善地施展 力量.].咏春力是打击穿透力,桥手力.[李小龙是他那代非传人里唯一能打出穿透力的人,但,他没有桥手力].小谂头其实最重要就是要训练人们能够形成咏春拳力,动作构成,目光注向,身体平衡,马步实而不死.。所以 ,念是没有力的。要静练,让大脑能控制肌肉。
    3, 咏春拳不需要用力,天大忽悠。拳术最重要是力。看岭南拳术,洪拳特性-挑,劈。撞,工字伏虎,一指定中原其盘桥而指插喉。咏春无力能对打?当年找钱华与黄飞鸿交手,黄挑,华伏。 挑不动,再用力。华转而圈拍黄手挣,定胜负。侠家拳练习时穿边石锁,臂力强大。白眉拳吞胸捎基背,九步推, 背剑手,力量非常。南踪螂勾手,凤眼拳,马步丁不丁,八不八,吞胸收肘。龙形的爪,魔桥的九步推扭马双掌打 。蔡李佛左右寻拿,挂捎插,送肩偷漏手,到谭三的北胜左右插拳加脚,全都力量十足。并且岭南拳术不讲内外家 ,基本不讲气功。
    4, 三套拳里的起式,原为洪门反清的特定手势[有别于身前出三指的’三点水’手势]双手交叉.的心在汉土[洪为汉字失去中土为洪]而说成什么挡脚等。
    5, 直拳,今天误叫冲拳。双手连环直拳,打成交叉手状。咏春直拳最难打,不能送肩,手臂独立,¬要发得出打击穿 透力,严格来讲,基本上无人。冲拳是撞力,并且要用身体力加在一起,例如太极的般拦拳,形意的冲劈拳等。直 拳打得不好,就成了推力。咏春最忌交叉手,而咏春最少有三种不同的--破中间手。这种所谓冲拳,一个破中手,即死。
    6, 肘归中。咏春拳是拳由中心发,不是肘由中心发。一,女人有乳房[虽然清朝女人普遍束胸]这样归肘,有可能吗?二,这个肘归中,不可能手臂有力,作为摊手,根本出不到。成为死动作。.
    7, 蒙眼chi手.。搏斗,眼到手到,眼明手快,从来没有人可以蒙着眼搏斗,绝对大忽悠。
    8, 地下摔打,别人倒在地上,骑在人身上不停地打。咏春是女人,清代男女有别分得清楚,咏春需要贴身摔别人?笑 话,咏春拳把对手打到断手断脚,易如反掌,把对手打跌于地上,只要用脚迫马,拍脚,踏脚轻易之至,何况摔? 再者,死里求生八脚,足以应付倒地打到再起身。摔这个也是大忽悠。
    9, chi手。现时所谓chi手,完全大忽悠,那些假教练骗人最好方法,两个大男人,你摸他手,互双摸,毫无手 法,马步,软手软脚,站都站不稳。
    咏春chi手其实是自己练习好手法,师傅带着你上马,转马,简单过手,从而进一步练习对打。师傅引导,辅导 你把学习到的手法去进攻师傅,而不是师傅打学生。在chi手过程中,指出错误,以实践证明对错。单纯动作, 可以说毫无意义,必须涉及力,角度,马步姿态的正确,马步的高或低,对走马,上马绝对有影垧。拳术搏斗,在 走动中是否可以发得出所需力量,至为重要。如果缺少这些,就是大忽悠。
    10, 刀,每个咏春大师都表演。但,我可以绝对讲,都是忽悠。先看刀形

    开山刀态。这绝对错,冷兵嚣不会有这错误形状。双方兵器接触,这个形状会把对方兵刃滑向自已,非常危险。另 外,咏春刀主要用腕力,这刀形,手腕都脱掉,根本发不出短劲力。

    最基本得象这双刀形,并且较短,以便双手间运转。刀法有如手法,左右攻击,刀剌,斩,圈,捆,耕,梆,拍, 反。快速走马,脚法配合,扣夺兵器等,对付长短兵器,整体完善,生死拼杀之器,何来这样无马无步,无力,空 位百出。
    拜托各位大师,不要再忽悠,收起那些刀,如果不是传人,你是绝对不懂的,而且,也绝对没有用刀的力,也不懂 走马,如有不服,试试在单头棍前,一步斩到持棍者,走走你的咏春拳马。
    11,木人桩,目前最忽悠人的咏春拳道具。看个桩形图片。

    对,都是一枝身,三支手,一只前弓步脚。[注意,前弓步脚]所以,第一个己错,前弓后箭马,前弓绝对不是这个样子的。所以,我说人们不懂走马,这样怎能走左走右?椿身 有如人身,直径23-25cm。上面双手,距离不能超过椿身,双身之间矩离内为4英寸左右,因为咏春运作双手不出身体。

    整个木人椿高度有严格要求。
    咏春木人椿最早是入地椿,后来严咏春都把椿手打断,才改成挂椿,从而改变力道。
    岭南拳术,大多创立清代,作为反清使命,所以非常注重桥手力量,因为对手多切为北方拳术,而北方拳术,多数 缺少这方面。所以,咏春打椿,定要用力,不然,那须用这么硬的木?所以,下面的相片的木人椿, 绝对是忽悠。


    这样的椿,小孩都推倒,怎样打?
    12, 关门弟子。叶问宗师。这个是凉亭的大忽悠。叶问从来没有收过徒弟,学生叫他师父都不喜欢,而令愿人们叫他‘ 老野’,[广东话,即老头]。把叶问叫作宗师,是他的一个阴谋。宗师的关门弟子,借以提高自己,此人极具心计,以懂英文帮咏春体育会英 文书信来往为名接近叶问[当时体育会只有李文为中文秘书]。
    咏春拳之所以特殊,起源于反清,创立此拳目的用于护守组织,追杀叛徙,所以,绝对以杀人为目的,手段狠毒, 从创立开始,已经明确,对手为绝对练武之人,可以说各家各派,己包括在内。基于上术原因,不适合普及大众, 自梁赞起,教人算多,公开者,为陈华顺。继承者为梁壁,即传人。所以,不收徙,不称师傅,不拜祖师,不设神 位。[有人称小念头什么三拜佛,笑料,神位都不设,何来拜佛?]学过的中外学生对我说的同一句话是,这样狠毒的拳,千万不要随便教人。
    传人都具有能修习咏春拳的天份,[天份如何?小谂头的第一节能练得准确,如果不能,基本上其他不用了]专心,苦心,不能出名,坚守诺言,斩生鸡头烧黄纸发毒誓。
    何为专心?小谂头就是叫你不要问,只要练。因为,全中国唯一的一套拳,从头到尾站在原地不动到完成,一问, 十年都说不清楚。
    苦心苦练,怎样苦?举个例,吾师叫‘鬼脚灿’.。为什么?现时的人见泰拳什么踢树。小菜一碟,唔师练的九华 径踢松树。小的我虽然不好,但小腿上下五寸,不怕一拼。
    不能出名。吾师一生不出名,叶问对人说,学咏春去广洲找郭富,本身是忽悠你[所以,别以为视频有什么]吾师在香港。吾师绝对苦练,对比两人手腕就知道,黄荛东与吾师chi手视频,相信当时黄师傅举手都难,吾师 手有多重?但吾师尚末有用力。陈华顺与梁壁的咏春拳分别在那里?简单来说,陈华顺发不出咏春力,只有体力的 力。梁壁说,什么叫功夫一山还有一山高?他就一生没有见过所谓育高山,与人交手,从末多用过三下而胜。梁壁 是穿透打击力,奇大的桥手力。
    现代社会,通讯发达,很多人以谎言说一百次成真理来抵毁中国文化。如武术上象赵道新之流。井底之徙。中国武 术之伟大在于对力量力学的绝对透切表现。[中国人有三样例子,一,飞马踏燕,二,赵洲桥。三,对驳壳枪的使用。全世界的人,都没法使用此枪作准确射击 ,只有中国人,很多,能。这足以证明中华民族对力学牛B.
    有人说,形意拳劈拳力大,.。咏春拳相对下,拳的力量比它大。我见山西农村练劈拳时同时摆桩撞前小腿。而我 们撞松村。真正懂的人,会明白我想说。
    最后,用我的咏春拳心得来结束,,,,,
    狠准快劲
    来留去送
    甩手直冲
    拳由心发
    以进代退
    手脚并用
    神聚体松
    Menu at your local Restaurant???

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    Thats from my sifu,i dont have the translation

    try to have help in your favorite chinese restaurant !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan View Post
    Fair enough. I messed up the time zone offset for the UK from where I am by two additional hours forward.

    So what did I mistakenly call him? Greek? Turkish?
    Yep. You've also got Finland in the North all the way down to S. Africa.

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    Please use private messages and cancel the previous post

    thanks by advance

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    Just from putting the text through a translation service you get an idea of the article and I found it quite intriguing, and it will be something I pass on mto my Sifu too as I know he will be interested

    Thanks to your Sifu for sharing MOSHE
    Ti Fei
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    What did the Chinese text say? Why don't you post the translation-if it is important?
    Waiters in Chinese restaurants have to work hard for a living.

    Moshe- welcome to net list chats---and trying to keep discussions on course.

    Yours have gone of course too- shifting from Ng Chan to unfounded generalizations

    about others.

    joy chaudhuri

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vajramusti View Post
    What did the Chinese text say? Why don't you post the translation-if it is important?
    Waiters in Chinese restaurants have to work hard for a living.
    True. We shouldn't over burden our services workers Joy!!

    I found the content to be an attempt to further discuss points that have been raised on this forum recently, which offers a unique insight into Moshe's teachers learning experience. Very sincere (and accurate!) in some points imhhho!

    Copy and paste into Google Translate and you get it all a bit jumbled, but again if you have been hanging around that restaurant for a time you will probably be able to pick up the broken/traditional to modern English attempt! Words like 'flicker' are used which really should be 'blurred' and so on. The info I found intriguing was the talk of the knife shape and Ip Mans 'way of learning' and the fact that none of his later students were proper 'apprentices' or even learning to teach, like he was back in his earlier years.

    Here it is for those that don't have the chinese on their systems...

    ps. I've had to post it in parts coz it was sooooooo long!!

    Enjoy deciphering the text!!!
    Ti Fei
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