Ng chan wing chun

[nasmedicine]

1. Why in the chum kiu turn to wu and bong does your bong palm seem to flip upwards?

2. Why do your and your sifus fingers in wu curl in a bit ?

Glad you asked the question. Where I currently practice wing chun we/they do the same (same "curved Wu" and "Bong Palm pointed forward") [or at the very least similar]. I am curious to see what Moshe's reasoning is as well.

[MOSHE]

1. Why in the chum kiu turn to wu and bong does your bong palm seem to flip upwards?

2. Why do your and your sifus fingers in wu curl in a bit ?

IM's pic that you posted his bong fingers straight loose and in straight alignment with his his bridge and the fingers in his wu are straight up.

Of course there are differences but it is good to compare and contrast in a non offensive fraternal way.[/QUOTE]

1 it's accentuated because we film from a lower point
Take you Bon, if you relax to much the hand you are losing the ideal point of contact on the forearm of the Bon and the best contraction

Play with the inclination of your forearm( hand loose for this) and you will see how the movement of the Hand is automatically following this


2. Who knows how to manage the strength on the arm and hands and who knows how to use piu Sao does this way


Regards

[Vajramusti]

1. Why in the chum kiu turn to wu and bong does your bong palm seem to flip upwards?

2. Why do your and your sifus fingers in wu curl in a bit ?

IM's pic that you posted his bong fingers straight loose and in straight alignment with his his bridge and the fingers in his wu are straight up.

Of course there are differences but it is good to compare and contrast in a non offensive fraternal way.

1 it's accentuated because we film from a lower point
Take you Bon, if you relax to much the hand you are losing the ideal point of contact on the forearm of the Bon and the best contraction

Play with the inclination of your forearm( hand loose for this) and you will see how the movement of the Hand is automatically following this
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2. Who knows how to manage the strength on the arm and hands and who knows how to use piu Sao does this way


Regards[/QUOTE]
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Moshe-

1. you can develop very good controlling contact with the bong without muscle strength... "feminine"!! Remember.?

2. You can revisit the pic of IM with BL that you put up-watch his hand and fingers after/past the wrists- not bent.

Where we possibly differ is arm muscle strength versus use of structural strength.
No problem- lots of variety and problem solving in different versions of wing chun.
thx for the discussion. joy

[MOSHE]

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Moshe-

1. you can develop very good controlling contact with the bong without muscle strength... "feminine"!! Remember.?

2. You can revisit the pic of IM with BL that you put up-watch his hand and fingers after/past the wrists- not bent.

Where we possibly differ is arm muscle strength versus use of structural strength.
No problem- lots of variety and problem solving in different versions of wing chun.
thx for the discussion. joy[/QUOTE]

Structure is important and part of the leverage
But using only structure and being loose means being dead
You need to give life to this with muscles and nerves , and the femine way comes with which muscles I will use and how I will put them at work

Most of people , to warm up the basic shi Sao and making contact with loose arms and are executing Bon/ tan and fok/punch in a circular motion
That's wrong

Somewhere the meaning of being soft and fluid have been misunderstood

You have to control

Because WC in not a passive attitude

Concerning the IM Bon , in the moment of the picture, is not correct( on purpose of course)
Look the wrong level of wu for BL , and. some are doing like that
Friendly

[MOSHE]

Ng chan lineage

[k gledhill]

Ng chan lineage

who's who ?

[Vajramusti]

who's who ?

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Simple - a young Moshe, Ng Chan and Moshe's sifu.

joy chaudhuri

[k gledhill]

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Simple - a young Moshe, Ng Chan and Moshe's sifu.

joy chaudhuri

Cool. Wish we could see more Ng Chan in action.

[MOSHE]

see comment on the video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoG_gaBhgYw
http://youtu.be/HZ7JvdhGKPA
http://youtu.be/2s_o52D7TiI

[MOSHE]

see comment with the videos

http://youtu.be/W6FIA8IuHqU

[k gledhill]

Moshe, the tan sao/punch, etc..seems to come out directly, not to the center-line. Like its striking to the line of the shoulders ?

[MOSHE]

Moshe, the tan sao/punch, etc..seems to come out directly, not to the center-line. Like its striking to the line of the shoulders ?

i dont have anything to do with what you see in this video, the only interest is to see ng chan and to look at his forearms

beside that ,its very approximate and far from what ng chan taught us

to answer to your question ,of course the hand does come out from the center line

[k gledhill]

i dont have anything to do with what you see in this video, the only interest is to see ng chan and to look at his forearms

beside that ,its very approximate and far from what ng chan taught us

to answer to your question ,of course the hand does come out from the center line

granted, it just seems that the arms come out directly ??? thanks

[MOSHE]

granted, it just seems that the arms come out directly ??? Thanks

yes they do wrong in this video ,ng chan obviously didnt care about it and didnt teach them seriously

thats the reason of all the various approach of our days

but thats the uniqueness of wing chun too

[k gledhill]

yes they do wrong in this video ,ng chan obviously didnt care about it and didnt teach them seriously

thats the reason of all the various approach of our days

but thats the uniqueness of wing chun too

I figured as much. thanks