No, actually, according to the forum's Terms of UseOriginally Posted by Scott R. Brown
Agreement, you do...
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No, actually, according to the forum's Terms of Use
Agreement, you do...
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OUCH!
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Yeah, it's in the "Self-proclaimed Masters of Qi" sub-section under the "If You Have a Strong Opinion It Must Be True and Anyone Who Asks You to Substantiate Your Claims Must Be Wrong" clauseOUCH!
u shud really check these things before bringing ur crazy-talk on here...
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I rely on you to keep me informed of these "Terms of Use" changes, so thank you for that!
Now how do I apply for that position myself?
I want to decide who is right and wrong by my arbitrary whim using the teachings of a dead master I clearly don't understand, who taught me not to think for myself and led me to attach myself to false beliefs that I refuse to give up even in the face of overwhelming evidence I have incomplete understanding, too!
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however you go about it, in this place there will doubtless be a long line of applicants...
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Yeah, but I know you have the inside scoop on stuff like that.
Everyone knows you are a mover and a shaker!
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The nurse and physical therapist strike again. What exactly qualifies you to say that TCM is bs and that "science" proves this and that.
The advice you gave this guy could have been found right off of google. Why did you guys spend so much on your degrees to just quote another source? Do you have any unique advice to give or can we find all your knowlegde and advice on wikipedia?
To the original person who posted:
Go to a Vietnamese or Chinese restaurant that sells bone soups. These dishes have the bones and cartilage cooked in the water. The kidneys rule the bones and therefore eating bones benefits the kidney essence.
If you're losing you're hair there's not much reversal you can do to that. Hair today gone tomorrow. The best way to strengthan your kidney essence is to have less sex/ejaculation as you get older. Ejaculatr only when you really really feel the urge and not after you see an image of a woman. I'm not joking at all. Just tell your wife to relax a little. Laying down, without knapping, for a half hour every day allows the kidneys to function better in terms of filtering body fluids. Laying down every day is beneficial to your body in general.
Qi gong/nei gong:
you can rub the kidneys until they are warm every day when you wake up and before you go to bed. Do the hula hoop excercise which moves and stimulates your kidneys.
Since the kidneys rule the bones having strong bones also benefits the kidneys. Do more weight bearing excercise. Especially squats with lite weight. Squatting conditions the biggest muscles and bones of your body and therefore benefits the kidneys.
If you have anymore questions please private message me as these yahoos will just give you wikipedia info again. My answer combined wisdom of eastern and western medicine.
Last edited by SavvySavage; 04-10-2010 at 04:39 PM.
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It doesn't matter where the information comes from; what matters is there is scientific evidence that supports the claims.
There is ample scientific evidence to support what I have posted!
There isn't for what you have posted! If there was it would be just as common knowledge as what I have posted.
You really aren't as savy as your pseudonym implies are you? Maybe stop taking those mercury pills!
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This is a very good example of BAD advice based upon a tradition absent of scientific evidence!
As opposed to a real scientific study:
Previous studies have linked frequent sexual activity to a higher risk of prostate cancer, but this new, large study found ejaculation frequency was not associated with prostate cancer risk except in the highest category. Men who ejaculated most often actually had a 33% lower lifetime risk of prostate cancer, and this relationship grew stronger as men grew older.
For example, men who reported 21 or more ejaculations per month in their 40s had a 32% lower risk of prostate cancer later in life compared with those who reported between four and seven ejaculations per month. Men who reported more than 21 monthly ejaculations in the previous year had a 51% lower risk of prostate cancer.
Overall, an average of 21 or more ejaculations a month during a man's lifetime decreased the risk of prostate cancer later in life by 33%. And each increase of three ejaculations per week during a man's lifetime was associated with a 15% reduction in prostate cancer risk.
...researchers say ejaculation may protect the prostate through a variety of biological mechanisms that merit further research, such as:
Flushing out cancer-causing substances. Frequent ejaculation may help flush out retained chemical carcinogens in the prostate glands.
Reducing tension. The release of psychological tension that accompanies ejaculation may lower nervous activity associated with stress and slow the growth of potentially cancerous cells in the prostate.
Promoting rapid turnover of fluids. Frequent ejaculation may help prevent the development of mini-crystals that can block ducts within the prostate gland, reducing cancer risk.
WebMD
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The best way to protect your kidney essence is to drink lots of water and exercise!
Look it up if you do not believe me!
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and the unlicensed, insecure asz-hat savvysavage responds...
ummm, well, as far as talking about scientific studies (and I guess that you put "science" in quotes because...well, actually, I don't know why - except that maybe you think it's not scientific, because, well, I don't know why, except, maybe you are just a schmuk), since both of us are trained in assessing medical research, I guess that might be a start; as far as TCM, please point out exactly where either of us say that TCM is "BS"? I never said anything about it at all in this thread, and Scott simply pointed out that what Hendrick specifically was saying was not supported by any studies; but, as is typical for you, you are setting up a straw-man in order to be your typical antagonistic self;
BTW, as far as TCM being BS, my position is simple: like any medical modality, it has it's good points and it's failings; it also has good practitioners and bad ones, like so-called "western" medicine does as well; TCM has a wealth of anecdotal evidence, but very little in the way of controlled research, as far as TCM itself goes (not acupuncture as a modality, or herbs in terms of physiological effect - those have a growing body of reliable research - I'm talking TCM theory as a whole); the other BIG problem w/certain TCM practitioners is how they will on the one hand talk about how so-called "western" medicine can't properly diagnose or effectively treat TCM patterns, but how TCM can cure "western" diagnoses! for example, Hendrick claiming about on the other thread how doing Six Healing Sounds Qigong will cure Type I diabetes, a "western" diagnosis (and something that TCM wouldn't be able to describe or even conceive of at the cellular level, lol), without a shred of evidence to that effect! so if u want to start getting into the BS factor in TCM, you might want to think a bit about claims it makes about it's efficacy on "western" diagnoses without adhering to the standards of "western" approach...
yes, it could; because it is common knowledge; is there something wrong with that?
another straw-man - why can't you post without creating a false contention? first off, and most importantly, neither myself nor Scott are giving "advice" here as licensed health-care professionals! the original poster is not asking us for a professional opinion; so there is no expectation that we respond to him in that manner; Scott is giving basic information that, yes, anyone could find off of Google or Wikipedia; is there something wrong with that? why do you have to be antagonistic and start in with your own usual provocative BS?
u r such a putz; why do u set up such ridiculous hypotheticals? it should be glaringly obvious that there is going to be a portion of nursing / PT knowledge that is part of a relatively more common knowledge base - not all of it is going to be rarified / exclusive; also, if we gave him "unique" advice, that would be inappropriate, seeing as neither of us has examined him, you dolt - how could we POSSIBLY give anything more than general "advice" without doing that? are you really that stupid to think that you can give professional level, "unique" advice to someone without assessing them in person? well, yes, actually, I think that you are...
or so you claim...what evidence do you have to back this up (lol...)
oh really? well, according to "scientific" research, so-called "western" medicine, you can reverse hair loss; of course, I have also been told over the years by 2 different old Chinese herbalists that he shou wu (polygonoum multiflorum) will definitely regrow hair - so, are they wrong? and if they are, does that mean TCM is BS? or if they are right, then are YOU saying that TCM is BS?
I think Scott handled this silliness you spew rather well...
this I agree with - in fact, you are promoting good abdominopelvic health in general by doing waist circles, which, among other things, stimulates lymphatic drainage; BTW, when you do this, you may want to do your the breathing such that when you move the hips backwards, you breath out and when you bring them around and forwards you breath in (there - was that "unique" enough info for you? I encourage you to find that nugget of info on wikipedia...)
so here, you are basically repeating what Scott said here already!
LOL! so, did you get that info off wikipedia, or just copy it from Scott?
and BTW, since we are asking about qualifications, what exactly qualifies YOU to give any "medical" advice at all, either about TCM or anything else for that matter - are you licensed / trained in any area? or wait, didn't you take some classes and "almost" go to medical school?
and furthermore, it's interesting how YOU are the one making a big deal about me and Scott being a PT / nurse, yet niether of us mentioned that here at all! almost as if YOU have some sort of insecurity issues about yourself not being licensed or trained...
yeah, I'm sure he's going to want to PM you after the attitude you've demonstrated here...
your answer combined nothing except your usual aszhattery and antagonism
now, I know that, in your typical style, you will respond by a) ignoring the specific points I have made to answer your unprovoked accusations; b) throw out more insults; c) create more straw-men; so - go for it...
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here's the thing - pretty much any TCM practitioner you see will tell you that your Kidneys (from TCM perspective) are deficient - it's because they see Kidneys sort of as a battery for powering your body both on a daily basis and over the long term - so, like any battery that's working all the time, there will always be some depletion; that said, if you are realy interested in maintaining kidneys from TCM perspective, the best thing would be to find a good and reliable TCM practitioner who can assess you accordingly and then presecribe whatever he / she thinks is appropriate -and doing 8 brocade can certainly be one modality to address that - of course, your qigong teacher should also know how to assess you in that regard, so that would be another reaonable approach;
ok?
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Scott,
The problem with your argument is that it's based off of a study that refutes another study. Later on they'll do another study that refutes that one. You could probably find studies to support ANYTHING.
I'm not talking about preventing prostate cancer. Just because it lowers it by 33% that doesn't prevent it. It only lowers the risk. Exercise lowers the risk of heart attack but anyone can get a heart attack, even the healthiest.
What happens to most men after they ejaculate? They fall asleep. Try fighting against Mike Tyson after just dropping your load. It affects energy levels, motor abilities, performance levels, etc. You don't need science or TCM to tell you this. Any guy who has ever gotten laid knows this. Do me a favor, Scott? Go find more studies that prove you point. And then find studies that disprove your points. Then tell me what your opinion is.
TCM has many issues. But atleast it has a body of knowledge that doesn't change every five minutes with a new study.
Tai gak yan,
This is all I have to say to you in regards to your post. You know two tcm practitioners that claim certain herbs grow back hair? If that were true they would be rich and famous instead of just being two tcm practitioners. Hair loss can be stopped to a certain extent but no one can grow hair back.
Surprisingly, we actually agree on some points. You're just a little bit too contentious about what you think you know for what your amazing doctorate taught you.
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My point is you are giving poor advice based upon tradition, not upon science.
The nice thing about science is that it CAN be challenged and refuted based upon EVIDENCE. It is not based upon tradition or what others WANT it to be!
I agree with TGY, QiQong and TCM has its place, the problem is the attributed benefits are generally based upon anecdotal evidence and NOT supported by science.
Any kind of generalized movement is healthly, it does not HAVE to be QiGong, TaiChi or any other ancient and mysterious Eastern method. Exercise and good food has been just as important in ancient Western culture as Eastern culture.
Any kind of complete breathing pattern is healthy it does not have to be Buddhist abdominal breathing, Taoist reverse breathing or any other super secret ancient, mysterious method.
Any kind of relaxation program is healthy, it does not have to be associated with any kind of mysterious practice. Relaxation reduces cortisol which is a hormone that is way to abundant in today's high stress world. Less cortisol, less heart disease, less hypertension, more energy better health.
There is nothing mysterious about any of this. There is no special Asian knowledge. People like to practice these activities because it is romantic to do so. I don't begrudge anyone their romantic fantasies, I do think it is important they are conscious of the truth of the science, why these activities are beneficial based upon scientific evidence, and that they understand they are following a romantic fantasy.
Just because some people follow a romantic fantasy does not mean it is foolish. It may still be very healthy practice. However, if they do not understand the physiological process behind why something is healthy they could just as easily practice something that either has no benefit or, worse, could do harm, such as saying magic sounds to heal diabetes just because it is romantic to do so.
Roughly 1/3 of placebos give beneficial effects. That does say something about blind faith in a practice, however that means 2/3 get no beneficial effect from their romantic fantasies. THAT is why it is important to understand what one is doing and why it works rather than just blindly follow something because it is ancient and mysterious!
Last edited by Scott R. Brown; 04-11-2010 at 10:02 AM.
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right, whereas your "argument" is based on what, exactly? nothing beyond subjective opinion, really...
???? are you serious? u can so blithely dismiss doing something that lowers risk of cancer by 1/3 because it doesn't jive with what u believe personally? ur argument implies that bec it "only" lowers the risk 33% it's better still not to ejaculate based on vague Taoist assertions about risks to health?
so let's see - because of the fact that we have a refractory period after ejaculation, this leads you to the conclusion that ejaculation is in and of itself is somehow a bad thing? u really hav this irritating habit of taking things so far out of context, it's not even funny - just because u hav a period of relative energy drain after an intense physiological event doesn't mean that that event is problematic for long-term energy;
no, of course it's much better to defer to centuries-old data taken during times when knowledge of human anatomy and physiology were far less than what is extant currently, than it is to rely on knowledge that is updated as new and more correct information comes to light...
not surprising, since you always ignore what you are unable to answer, as I effectively slam-dunked an answer to each of your baseless accusations; of course, u r always welcome to rebut if u feel inclined at a later date; but we know u won't, because you can't;
I think ur reading comp needs a lot of work - my entire point for bringing this up was to demonstate how you can hav elements within a system that although they themselves are BS does not make the entire system BS, but that, like any modality, TCM needs to be critically evaluated in terms of what it claims;
even a broken clock is correct twice a day; so if we do agree, it's more by chance given that your methodological m/o lacks any semblance of intellectual rigor;
let's see, u jump onto the thread deriding me and Scott, our degrees, our so-called googled advice and "science" in general, and I'm the one being contentious? okaaaaay...second, i do not have a doctorate, nor have ever claimed to, so I don't know where u get that from; third, despite what u may project about my "amazing" education, quite frankly the majority of my functional clinical knowledge base, aside from anatomy / phys, is not based on what I was taught in school, a lot of which, IMPO, was poorly taught and ultimately a waste of time; rather, I had to search quite a bit after graduation to obtain the clinical information that enabled me to b successful clinically; finally, in regards to your statement about what I "think I know", please provide a specific example on this or any other thread where I make a statement regarding PT, TCM or qigong (or anything else, for that matter), where I mistakenly claim to know something that I don't (of course, you won't, u never speak to specifics, u just level accusations and then ignore the responses when they demonstrate the error of what you have said);
addendum: as I re-read ur original post, I am struck by just how ridiculous of an individual you come across as - u post like an angry 4-year old who wasn't allowed a second scoop of ice cream; until u can reconcile ur glaringly obvious contrarian issues, especially if u r trying to construct a reasoned argument, u should consider not posting here; I strongly urge you to seriously re-evaluate ur reasons for and and methods of posting before coming on here again, because all you really end-up doing is embarrassing yourself
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