Originally Posted by
bennyvt
i think it comes down to why certain things are used. Like the hook punches, were they done for a vt reason. Ie closest distance, going around a block etc. Or was he just throwing hooks. Using vt is about using the most simple technique to make the most damage. Not doing something them justifing it by saying but they do hooks in bj. I watched the orrh video series and most was ok but alot was bjj etc justified using vt ideas. There is on gulliten in bj. Even the guy i learn shoot off said it was just bjj. Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with mixing stuff to be a complete fighter but don't call a rear naked choke a vt move, way have been the best way of beating him but it wasn't vt.
That's why I worded it the way I did. I would add that the strikes chosen should be those that are the most economical in terms of risk. Biggest payout with the least amount of risk.
A hook punch is described as a "tight C". I've also heard it called a "tight L" as it's still a straight punch--just coming from the side.
Within a WC mindset hook punches (if keeping in line with all its guidelines) should only be thrown when at that particular moment in time it is more economical and logical. So for example like you said going around a strong block instead of trying to move it. If someone has a much stronger arm than you are able to manipulate--what's more economical--trying to unsuccessfully slap it around to punch directly through the tunnel or just punch around it? A similar example would be because he's covering up through the middle and your arm is on the outside--the most natural and economical punch is the hook.
So you use the punch as you see fit to reap the benefits with as little risk as possible. It's right there in the forms--so why not use it to its maximum potential? When I spar, I don't sit there and pummel someone with chain punches while they're covering. I vary the punches, hit different targets, from different angles...why? Because it's the smarter thing to do. You keep throwing chain punches the other guys gonna know that and adapt very quickly.
As to the rest of it, yea, I agree that any grappling is a byproduct of their mma / bjj training. Otherwise WC would have been doing that stuff all along. It's not there's been an epiphany of the wing chun forms, its that some of the stuff is (by a looong stretch) being related to wing chun's forms.
Kinda like how people try to fit all the stuff going on in the world to prophecies told by people thousands of years ago. It could fit, but it doesn't mean that it was meant to.
Last edited by SAAMAG; 04-14-2010 at 09:44 AM.
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