What is Tam Tui?

[Begging Mantis]

What is this part of the Wah Lum studies? What does it emphasive on? Kick techniques?

Is the Wah Lum and Tam Tui taught seperately or together as one style?

Thanks for the info

BM

[Robinf]

Tam Tui is the family style of Lee Kwan Shan, the Great GrandMaster of the style now passed down my Pui Chan (Pui Chan was one of his last students).

Tam Tui emphasizes the leg--"sweeping leg" or "seeking leg" are the two translations I've come across.

It's not necessarily kicks, but the use of the leg--the one legged-quat, the low stances, etc. It's the leg conditioning/training, as I've come to understand it.

[mantisgirl]

Tam Tui is a front heel kick, also weong tam tui and die tam tui which are low and side tam tui kicks. So it isn't a seperate style just a type of leg technique that is used alot. If im not mistaken Lee Kwan Shan is the one who introduced the tam tui style of kicks into the system. All i know is we do them alot and i can't seem to do them well at all only the front heel kick.

[Kung Lek]

Hi-

If I may also add:

Tam Tui/Tan Tui/ Tam Toy also refers to "springing leg" and is a preliminary form of Bak Sil Lum (North Shaolin) Kung fu system.
The set is of Moslem origin and has been used as a prelim set in North Shaolin for some time.

In one version of the set, the practitioner moves along ten rows and within those rows a variety of techniques and combinations are expressed.
In the other version of the set, the practitioner moves along twelve rows and the techniques and combinations are again expressed in each row.

Tan Tui as a singular development exercise is also a definition wherein the practitioner will squat on one leg and stand back up the goal being to maintain balance and to reach the ground with control and to raise back up with control. This exercise builds really good kicking power as well as balance and strength in the practitioners legs.

Peace


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Kung Lek

[7kicks]

Tam Tui translates to seeking legs. It involves a number of exercises to increase leg power, mostly one legged squats, that are later incorporated into forms in the WAH LUM System as stated by previous post it was Lee Kwan shan's family style. It is not taught as a seperate style in Wah Lum. In northern long fist shaolin kung fu they have sets called Tan Tui which from what I have seen are much different than what is taught in Wah Lum.

[Ric Wu]

Tam Tui was also one of the original styles taught at the Woo Association in what was Shanghai, China before the modern renaming of China.

[laughing tiger]

I really enjoy all of the Mantis posts. Very informative, and most of the men and women posting show some character and maturity... a nice change from the "other" topic on this site :-)
Anyhoo... I studied southern styles for many years, now I'm new (woohoo!...love it!) in a school where northern longfist and northern praying mantis are taught. After a few basics are taught, a student learns "Tan Tui". An example of how this school does it is:

Tan Tui #2 look right, left hand comes to guard upper ribs and right hand vertical punch to the right side. feet together. hold.
Then right upper block with forarm at hairline hight, as the left leg is brought up to kneecap height. left hand protects left ribs.
this goes into a left horsestance punch (corkscrew), move the left foot to the left a little and right bow and arrow punch (corkscrew).
simultaneous left corkscrew punch and right heal kick into a right horsestance punch, and then continue the sequence, alternating sides, for 3 sequences, then return to the Tan Tui ready position.
Does this sound like what you all are doing? :-)

[Robinf]

LT,

That exercise isn't familar to me.

We have one called 7 kicks. I'll write that one up when I have more time; needless to say there are kicks in it--4 push heel, two windmill, two low snap side, and 4 sweeps, along with some hand techniques, but not much.

Robin

[laughing tiger]

sounds cool, Robin :-)

[7kicks]

Laughing Tiger the set you are describing is common in most northern longfist Tan Tui sets. I think there are 10 sets in northern longfist that you learn. These Tan Tui sets are much different than the northern mantis wah lum Tam Tui. The Tam Tui in Wah Lum are integrated into the forms and are not taught seperately as they are in northern longfist.

[laughing tiger]

Thanks, Mantiz6 :-)

[Begging Mantis]

Thanks for all the replies. All the info will be very useful. Thank you again for your help.

BM

[woliveri]

Laughing Tiger, Is your teacher accepting
new students and you mentioned you are in
Orange County. I'm assuming you mean Orange
County California, yes? If so, can you tell
me more about your school and it's teachings?

Thanks,
William Oliveri
wuji@nivets.com
woliveri@yahoo.com

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[Kenji]

I think there are two different Tan Tui/Tam Tui styles. Both "Tan" basically has the same pronunciations but characters are different. One is the "Springing Leg" and the other was translated to me as "deep legs" which might be the "seeking legs" of Wah Lum Tan Tui.

[Hua Lin Laoshi]

Some of the forms taught in the Wah Lum system are Tam Tui forms. These are not taught specifically as Tam Tui forms however the student will reach a point where he/she will have to identify these forms.