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I remember some time ago reading in Inside kung fu or Blackbelt that Wing Chun had an influence on legendary trainer Cus D'Amato and the Peek-a-Boo boxing style. Can anybody point me to the article I may have read some 8 or ten years ago or any other information linking Wing Chun to Peek-a-Boo boxing.
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I believe you're talking about an article in one of the mags some years ago comparing my instructor, William Cheung...comparing his TWC style (Traditional Wing Chun) to the peek-aboo style of boxing, and in particular, Mike Tyson's rendition of it.
There was an ex-boxer here in NYC named Raphael Ramos who trained at a TWC school for a few years...and Raphael did originally learn his craft at Cus D'Amato's gym.
But there was never any mention, to my recollection, of TWC having an influence on the boxing style (or the other way around, for that matter).
Rather, it was simply a comparison of both styles of fighting...since the "blindside" strategy employed in TWC does have some similarities to what Tyson used to do...
as a strategy.
But obviously the delivery systems (of the strategy) used by both arts are very different.
In short, the idea shared in common is to constantly maneuver to the outside of the opponent's punching arm.
Last edited by Ultimatewingchun; 04-24-2010 at 10:24 PM.
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Samual kwok has been helping to train a boxer, there is something on his website.
But knowing some people on here they won't bother looking as they slated him for a Chi Sau clip the other week.
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What's his web address?
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LOL... you couldn't have two styles more different.
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Google is your friend Victor.....
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Samuel+Kwok
Top link ;-)
Look under gallery and video and coaching pro boxer.
I am not a Kwok student and have no affiliation to him, just saw this on his site.
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Okay, Bully....watched the clip. What Samuel starts to demo at around 00:25 into the vid:
Do you really think you can get all that far to the outside of a boxers lead punch like that?
That's a lot of movement to have to do with your body and both arms - using a wing chun structure - before he either snaps his punch back or throws his rear hand. Or maybe hooks off the lead.
Not a very realistic approach if you ask me.
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I am not really qualified to comment tbh.
He is training a boxer, thought it would be interesting for the OP.
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If that clip is any indication, that guy has no business trying to teach a boxer anything.Originally Posted by Bully
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Again I have no idea, I am not very good at WC and certainly not at boxing.
Sam Kwok was the guy everyone dissed in the chi sau clip the other week in here.
He is respected in the UK, maybe he shouldn't be???
Be interested to know specifics why he shouldnt teaching a boxer??
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Agreed. Also the timing doesn't work. Boxers don't hold jabs out there for you to move and counter in a 1-2 fashion. Unfortunately almost every single instructional demo of virtually any martial arts technique starts with that same setup.
Now I've seen a MT coach teaching a similar type of move. The difference was to time the punch, slip slightly enough to make it miss, and at the same time strike over the punch so that your strike lands at the same time the punch reaches extension and misses.
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You talked about this on bullshido a while back (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=81138&page=19), and it seems the only boxer anyone can find named Raphael Ramos was an olympic/pan am medalist from Puerto Rico (who was not trained by D'Amato).
Considering peek was around in the late 40s and early 50s, and Cheung didn't get around to "unveiling" TWC until much later, it would be impossible for WCK to have influenced it.But there was never any mention, to my recollection, of TWC having an influence on the boxing style (or the other way around, for that matter).
No.Rather, it was simply a comparison of both styles of fighting...since the "blindside" strategy employed in TWC does have some similarities to what Tyson used to do...
as a strategy.
BTW, getting an angle (or flank or "blindside") is a UNIVERSAL tactic/strategy.
The "idea" of peek is not "to constantly maneuver to the outside of the opponent's punching arm" but rather cover your face (hence the name) and use evasive movement to get inside. You may want to visit a boxing gym and see.But obviously the delivery systems (of the strategy) used by both arts are very different.
In short, the idea shared in common is to constantly maneuver to the outside of the opponent's punching arm.
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This is William Cheung (TWC) and Rafael Ramos (peek-aboo boxing) - doing some light sparring.
And yes, this Rafael Ramos was a boxer who trained at Cus D'Amato's gym.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG1WC...eature=related
Haven't seen him in years, and I don't recall if he spelled his first name Rafael or Raphael...but either way....he DID train in Cus' gym, and I believe he did have some fights.
Last edited by Ultimatewingchun; 04-27-2010 at 11:39 PM.
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In the terms of MA, i think this tactic has been ripped off from TWC.
If you can find a MA book or boxing book prior to the late 70's & early 80's that discuss's fighting on the blind side as a tactic or strategy, i would be interested.
Tyson had knock out ability, but i pretty sure he was trained to be evasive, not "fight on the blind side". I dont recall seeing Tyson ever fighting on the blindside and i got most of his fights. The fact that he kept low and rised up for his hits with a pivot gave him his power.
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a variety of other tma have blindside fighting and in some instances they predate wing chun
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