Shaolin confused

[David Jamieson]

if you realize it's you, since you are the boss, you create it then just let it go and dissolve.
Instead of there's is nothing to be done about that.


IT does really matter. This is because knowing it but cannot dissolve it means not really knowing it. That is not Zen at all.

Knowing it and be able to let go and resolve it is Zen.

letting go of a construct that was never really manifest is letting go of something you created with your mind. once it is gone, it is as irrelevant as it ever was, but it was and it was as real in mind as if manifest.

so it has the same value to the mind in the letting go of it.

[LFJ]

hendrik-

why do you make zen so difficult?

[Hendrik]

letting go of a construct that was never really manifest is letting go of something you created with your mind.

once it is gone, it is as irrelevant as it ever was,

but it was and it was as real in mind as if manifest.

so it has the same value to the mind in the letting go of it.

how can you know it is gone?

[Hendrik]

hendrik-

why do you make zen so difficult?

who is your teacher who train you in Zen? has him seeing his buddha nature himself?

[RenDaHai]

I think you guys can read about Zen for several lifetimes and not really get anywhere... I think you have to actually do it. I don't think you will find the answers from reading what other people have done, i don't think you need any advice, i think you just have to actually do it.

@LFJ priceless answer buddy!

[YouKnowWho]

I'm not fast enough to see the relationship with Buddhism and Zen.

There are 2 major branches of Buddhism.

- 小乘 (Xiao Cheng) is 出世 (Chu Shi) that you go to a temple and live there until you have saved yourself.
- 大乘 (Da Cheng) is 入世 (Ru Shi) that you go to the society and help others to be saved.

For example, 濟公 (Ji Gong) is 大乘 (Da Cheng) who tried to help as many people as he could.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zbVzgcWpPI

[LFJ]

Originally Posted by LFJ
hendrik-

why do you make zen so difficult?

who is your teacher who train you in Zen? has him seeing his buddha nature himself?

thank you for that clear answer.

buddha nature? what is that?

open your mouth and i hit you.

[Hendrik]

thank you for that clear answer.

buddha nature? what is that?

open your mouth and i hit you.

I doubt this type of mimic-ing expression do any good. It only got one trap into playful scattering mind state which lead one to lost samadhi.

not to mention this is off target when what others need is a clear direction because the topic is how to clear a confusion; instead of a confusing mind leading other confusing mind; and the one who has the most confusing mind pronounce to be enlighten. and the group of confuse people feeling so good because they all now is enlighten. That is just ridiculous and misleading others to get trap .

Zen path is the path of liberation, to become liberate and free is the bottom line. can oneself see the light of the tunnel, can one lead others toward the end of the tunnel after one is in the end of the tunnel is the name of the game.

mimic-ing is like got stuck in the tunnel knowing not how to get out and proclaiming one is already free and everyone who got trap in the location is free. That is just simply ridiculous like a dodo bird thinking that hole one trap in is liberation.


my point here is to stress the liberate act which result into freedom. those are action not some clever sound nice sound good sound smart words or thoughts.

Zen is beyond time. however, until one could release the concept of time one cant get there. and how to release the concept of time? that is hard work action certainly not thoughts or about playing with thought.

Thus, the Shao Lin Zen core in the immoveable heart. all the practice got to reside in the realm of immoveable heart. and reside in the realm of immoveable heart is not a thought but an action.

Only Action could liberate one, thought doesnt. similar with one could know the winning number of next $10000 million lotto but if one doesnt take the action of buying the lotto ticket with the exact number, one doesnt get anything. Thus, Zen and martial art is non dual. that action matter. That is the teaching of Shao lin, ACTION is ZEN in today's word.

[LFJ]

Only Action could liberate one, thought doesnt.

and yet you have so much thinking in your posts.

with your thinking you make zen difficult.

[Scott R. Brown]

Personality is an artificial construct that each of us are responsible for having created, and it has a useful purpose.

Knowing your personality is an artificial construct does not make it non-existent. Within Buddhism/Zen non-existent means not fixed or permanent; it does not mean "not made manifest within the world of distinctions".

Think of it like a first person computer game. Everything within the game is an artificial construct. The game really exists and what happens within the game is real "within" the game. If your character dies within the game, it really dies and is really re-spawned, but the "true" player, YOU, have not died, you have not changed, only the game changed.

When the game is over, it no longer exists, yet is always potential; it exists with one context and yet does not exist within another context; it is real within one context and is non-existent within another. I always have it on a disk, so it is in one sense real, but I am not presently playing it. It is not manifest/real until I do play it; it is not "really" a game until someone is playing.

So, it can be said the game is existent and non-existent. In that it is artificially constructed, it is pretend, so it non-existent, yet it is really a game and one can really play it, so it is existent. It is both real and unreal at the same time, just as glass of water is both "half full" and "half empty" at the same time. Which one it is, is a condition of mind NOT a condition of the glass of water! The glass of water doesn't change, only mind, perspective, changes!

The principles "it matters" and " it does not matter" are concepts; concepts are distinctions and are therefore artificially constructed. Anything that belongs to the world of distinctions is considered unreal within Buddhism, that is, it is not permanent, therefore all this matters or not only if one chooses to make it matter, just as a glass is "half full" or "half empty" based upon how one "chooses" to view it!

When one is unattached to the concepts matter/ not-matter they perceive they are but two aspects of the same ONENESS, just as a "half full" glass of water and a "half empty" glass of water are both still "a glass of water".

[Scott R. Brown]

Only Action could liberate one, thought doesnt.

Action is a manifestation of thought....without thought there is NO action!

[Hendrik]

and yet you have so much thinking in your posts.

with your thinking you make zen difficult.

There is a different between explaining the process and fantasy thinking.

Explaining the process even if one got to write a book that is not too much. Fantasy thinking, even if one just raise a single thought that is too much.



How simple is Zen? as I have asked you

who is your teacher who train you in Zen? has him seeing his buddha nature himself?

and yet after a few posts you didnt reply yet.

if you cant even answer the simple question which is definite.
How could you even grasp the infinite, not to mention liberate?

You are likely to be one of those who got stuck in the tunnel and fantasying you have liberate. sure, that is simple. however, you still stuck. that is not Zen but delusion. and that type of thinking is too much.

[Hendrik]

Action is a manifestation of thought....without thought there is NO action!

if one doesnt go and buy that lotto ticket, one still go no where.


To talk about thought and thinking is easy. To create thought is simple.
But,
To be able to dissolve or let go thought and thinking which is already spinning habitually in the mind needs real Kung fu. That is where Zen comes it.

In martial art, when fear thoughts arise, angry thoughts arise, sex desire thoughts arise, how to dissolve and totally release of send them back to the nothingness is the training of Immoveable heart training.

[Scott R. Brown]

if you cant even answer the simple question which is definite.
How could you even grasp the infinite, not to mention liberate

There is a difference between can't and won't!

Those of us who have read your posts for sometime already know you have locked your mind into the necessity for a teacher, not everyone has your attachment! Your expectation that anyone would or should buy into your attachment to the "need"for a teacher, is also an attachment!

How can you grasp the infinite, or indicate it to another, when you cannot grasp your own attachments?

[Scott R. Brown]

if one doesnt go and buy that lotto ticket, one still go no where.


To talk about thought and thinking is easy. To create thought is simple.
But,
To be able to dissolve or let go thought and thinking which is already spinning habitually in the mind needs real Kung fu. That is where Zen comes it.

In martial art, when fear thoughts arise, angry thoughts arise, sex desire thoughts arise, how to dissolve and totally release of send them back to the nothingness is the training of Immoveable heart training.

Since one is already THERE, buying a lotto ticket won't GET you THERE!

Since thoughts are already nothingness there is no need to send them anywhere.

All one need do is realize this for themselves.