Robert Chu's Master Class DVD

[Hendrik]

I like the emphasis he gives to the structure and how to use it as the generator for everything.

There was a glitch in the third disc where music was playing during his teaching--a sound editing error. Did you have the same in yours?

You love the structure stuff. You should visit him and learn those first hand so it becomes a second nature for you.


I took slow sip on the DVD tasting every details.
I have not at the third disc yet. Will tell you when I am there.


What do you think about block in WCK after you watch the DVD?

[SAAMAG]

You love the structure stuff. You should visit him and learn those first hand so it becomes a second nature for you.


I took slow sip on the DVD tasting every details.
I have not at the third disc yet. Will tell you when I am there.


What do you think about block in WCK after you watch the DVD?

Well you don't need to work with him first hand to develop the structure...because all wing chun should have that structure. That's something that should have always been there to begin with.

Blocking? I don't think anything different than I did before watching the dvd.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I have gone through vol 1 and 2, will try to see 3 today.
So far so good, nothing new per say , nor did I expect there to be, but well done and informative.

[Ultimatewingchun]

I have gone through vol 1 and 2, will try to see 3 today.
So far so good, nothing new per say , nor did I expect there to be, but well done and informative.

***THERE IS nothing new in the "full body structure" that Robert Chu and Alan Orr always talk about. It's been a part of wing chun for the longest.

[Knifefighter]

***THERE IS nothing new in the "full body structure" that Robert Chu and Alan Orr always talk about. It's been a part of wing chun for the longest.

What's new is that they understand how to make it work consistently.

What's new is the way they train it.

What's new is that from the two above things, additional things evolve into it, making it an essentially new entity.

[Ultimatewingchun]

Please show me, Dale, on what part of any youtube vid containing the mma matches that Alan's guys engage in where there is something new going on - in terms of body structure or anything else.

[Knifefighter]

Please show me, Dale, on what part of any youtube vid containing the mma matches that Alan's guys engage in where there is something new going on - in terms of body structure or anything else.

Pretty much everything where the WC people are saying "That's not WC."

[Ultimatewingchun]

Ha! Ha! Ha!

"You're a regular riot, Alice"...

(Jackie Gleason would have hired you, Dale).

[YungChun]

I knew he was going to say that..

Whats new about that VT is that it's Boxing and Wrestling.. Something Dale highly approves of..

[Knifefighter]

I knew he was going to say that..

Whats new about that VT is that it's Boxing and Wrestling.. Something Dale highly approves of..

What's new is that they have interweaved it with boxing, wrestling, clinch fighting, takedowns and groundfighting.

What's new is that they have thrown out the stuff that doesn't work.

BTW, you never answered my question: Is wrestling a bridging art?

[YungChun]

What's new is that they have interweaved it with boxing, wrestling, clinch fighting, takedowns and groundfighting.

What's new is that they have thrown out the stuff that doesn't work.

There is nothing new about the VT.. Adding MT to Boxing doesn't make the Boxing new..

BTW, you never answered my question: Is wrestling a bridging art?

Oh did you want to play more with this?

In the sense of what SCMA do, that's (Southern Chinese Martial Arts), no IMO, but in the sense of connection, then yes..

[Ultimatewingchun]

is the stuff we've yet to see in wing chun mma fighting that WILL WORK in an mma setting.

So once again, kudos to Alan and his guys for that they'vre been able to do so far, but I strongly believe that there's more to come from the wing chun world within mma fighting. What Alan's guys are doing is A version of wing chun - and Dale rightly says that it's mixed with boxing, wrestling, and MT style clinch fighting (and you can throw in BJJ too)...

but I believe that as time goes on we'll see wing chun guys also using pak, lop, bong, garn, bil, etc. And punching patterns that closely resemble the vertical fist, elbows-held-down-and-in-close-to-the-sides-of-the-body that characterizes wing chun.

As well as the more elevated elbows with a 3/4 horizontal fist type of punching attack occasionally used by Vitor Belfort in the past. Clearly a wing chun-influenced piece of fighting. There are moments in mma (or anywhere else) wherein this could be effective also.

And some simultaneous (or near simultaneous beat-and-one-half) attack and defense as well.

You're going to see these things, as time goes on.

[YungChun]

is the stuff we've yet to see in wing chun mma fighting that WILL WORK in an mma setting.

So once again, kudos to Alan and his guys for that they'vre been able to do so far, but I strongly believe that there's more to come from the wing chun world within mma fighting. What Alan's guys are doing is A version of wing chun - and Dale rightly says that it's mixed with boxing, wrestling, and MT style clinch fighting (and you can throw in BJJ too)...

but I believe that as time goes on we'll see wing chun guys also using pak, lop, bong, garn, etc. And punching patterns that closely resemble the vertical fist, elbows-held-down-and-in-close-to-the-sides-of-the-body that characterizes wing chun.

As well as the more elevated elbows with a 3/4 vertical fist type of punching attack occasionally used by Vitor Belfort in the past. Clearly a wing chun-influenced piece of fighting. There are moments in mma (or anywehere) that could be effective also.

And some simultaneous (or near simultaneous beat-and-one-half) attack and defense as well.

You're going to see these things, as time goes on.

I agree mostly with this..

IMO VT is about efficiency and economy and everyone sooner or later gets more efficient and wants to move in that direction.. If VT is worth anything we'll see more and more of what is and will look like VT.

[Knifefighter]

but I believe that as time goes on we'll see wing chun guys also using pak, lop, bong, garn, etc. And punching patterns that closely resemble the vertical fist, elbows-held-down-and-in-close-to-the-sides-of-the-body that characterizes wing chun.

As well as the more elevated elbows with a 3/4 vertical fist type of punching attack occasionally used by Vitor Belfort in the past. Clearly a wing chun-influenced piece of fighting. There are moments in mma (or anywhere else) wherein this could be effective also.

And some simultaneous (or near simultaneous beat-and-one-half) attack and defense as well.

You're going to see these things, as time goes on.

Maybe, but you sure won't see all those double hand strikes and backfists you see on the Mook Jong.

[Knifefighter]

I agree mostly with this..

IMO VT is about efficiency and economy and everyone sooner or later gets more efficient and wants to move in that direction.. If VT is worth anything we'll see more and more of what is and will look like VT.

Boxing and Muay Thai type striking are many times more efficient and economical.

And that's why you see the WC guys who are fighting full contact actually moving away from traditional WC techniques and more towards boxing and Muay Thai.