Obama the biggest recipient of BP oil cash

[1bad65]

It may be meaningless but it is part of his heritage but he is still American.
Why not call him Hawaiian or Kansan since that is part of his American roots just as Texan is to yours. Why choose one part and not the whole to attempt to strike discord?

Not to harp on this, but his wife said his home country was Kenya. She could have said he was from Hawaii, or Kansas, or even (gasp!) America.

[SanHeChuan]

Not to harp on this, but his wife said his home country was Kenya. She could have said he was from Hawaii, or Kansas, or even (gasp!) America.

Context and intent are the defining factors.

You brought it up to highlight his "otherness" to imply that he is not American enough and therefore in your eyes less than. It was Xenophobic. It is the same “exclusive” line of thought to point out the differences in people that fuels racism.

I did have a point in that particular post in referring to him as "the Kenyan". My point was that in American history, which I mentioned, we had tried something and it had failed badly. So my point was that since he came from another country (and those were his wife's words, not mine), maybe he was ignorant of our history and that fact that his idea had been tried in this country before and it failed.

Obama wasn’t born in Kenya. Obama didn't grow up in Kenya. He is of Kenyan ancestry. I don’t know your ancestry but a good bet is part German. Should we refer to you as “the German” in every post?

[KC Elbows]

What 1badabinlauden said is absolutely right.

[1bad65]

You brought it up to highlight his "otherness" to imply that he is not American enough and therefore in your eyes less than. It was Xenophobic. It is the same “exclusive” line of thought to point out the differences in people that fuels racism.

Why do you liberals constantly harp on race? Please tell me why, I've been wondering this for 20 years now.

It has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with the Constitution and the rule of law. If the guys own wife can't be proud enough of this great country to refer to it as his home country, how the hell does that make me a racist by pointing that out?

Obama wasn’t born in Kenya. Obama didn't grow up in Kenya. He is of Kenyan ancestry. I don’t know your ancestry but a good bet is part German. Should we refer to you as “the German” in every post?

If my wife starts calling Germany my home country, feel free to refer to me as "the German".

I have ancestry outside of this country. Yet I proudly refer to myself as an American, and I refer to America as my home country.

[1bad65]

What 1badabinlauden said is absolutely right.

I don't know whether you mean this as a good or a bad thing.

[KC Elbows]

I don't know whether you mean this as a good or a bad thing.

I was only referring to the fact that you live in a cave and hang out with sweaty men.

However, I will not call you that again, you know I am good on my word, though I may again bring up that you live in a cave and hang out with sweaty men.

[SanHeChuan]

Why do you liberals constantly harp on race? Please tell me why, I've been wondering this for 20 years now.

Because people like you keep pointing it out.

It has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with the Constitution and the rule of law. If the guys own wife can't be proud enough of this great country to refer to it as his home country, how the hell does that make me a racist by pointing that out?

Oh so you’re a Birther now? Your first and second sentence have nothing to do with each other, where does it say in the constitution that you are not allowed to refer to your ancestry? You didn't just point it out, you twisted her words to turn his ancestry as a black man from Africa into a negative attribute, even pointing to "possible" ignorance on his part because of his heritage.

If my wife starts calling Germany my home country, feel free to refer to me as "the German".

I have ancestry outside of this country. Yet I proudly refer to myself as an American, and I refer to America as my home country.

You are misrepresenting the quote to push your agenda.

"What it reminded me of was our trip to Africa, two years ago, and the level of excitement that we felt in that country – the hope that people saw just in the sheer presence of somebody like Barack Obama – a Kenyan, a black man, a man of great statesmanship who they believe could change the fate of the world."
-M. Obama

She doesn't say that Kenya is his home country; she said the people of Africa were excited to see someone of African ancestry rise to such lofty heights. Why would the people of Africa be excited to see an American? They wouldn't "American" is not a part of their identity, that's why she didn't mention it within the context of her conversation.

[1bad65]

Because people like you keep pointing it out.

No, I said Kenya which is a country. You then brought up race. Yet again.

So the question remains...

Oh so you’re a Birther now? Your first and second sentence have nothing to do with each other, where does it say in the constitution that you are not allowed to refer to your ancestry? You didn't just point it out, you twisted her words to turn his ancestry as a black man from Africa into a negative attribute, even pointing to "possible" ignorance on his part because of his heritage.

There you go again...

You are misrepresenting the quote to push your agenda.

Good thing you're here to twist my posts around.

She doesn't say that Kenya is his home country; she said the people of Africa were excited to see someone of African ancestry rise to such lofty heights. Why would the people of Africa be excited to see an American? They wouldn't "American" is not a part of their identity, that's why she didn't mention it within the context of her conversation.

Now you're changing her words around! LMFAO!

So, if someone says something that doesn't fit what you wish they said, you just add or subtract words, right?

"When we took our trip to Africa, and visited his home country in Kenya, we took a public HIV test." -Michelle Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo2Xr...eature=related

So, she did say Kenya is his home country. I can see you have problems with written English, what with you not seeing words that are there and you seeing words that aren't there as well. But are you also having problems now with spoken English?

[SanHeChuan]

No, I said Kenya which is a country. You then brought up race. Yet again.

So the question remains...

So... You don't think Xenophobia is tantamount to racism.

An unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

Or

Hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Seems pretty similar to me.

"When we took our trip to Africa, and visited his home country in Kenya, we took a public HIV test." -Michelle Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo2Xr...eature=related

Ok so you found a quote where she did "misspeak".
He must "REALLY" be the Kenyan Manchurian candidate.
All your Xenophobic hate is now justified.

[1bad65]

So... You don't think Xenophobia is tantamount to racism.

I'm not going to get into this with you. You have repeatedly brought up race, while I brought up the Constitution.

Put it this way: If what I posted about him being from Kenya is racist, then I'm as much a racist as the Founding Fathers. They made the rule, after all.

Ok so you found a quote where she did "misspeak".
He must "REALLY" be the Kenyan Manchurian candidate.
All your Xenophobic hate is now justified.

So, she misspoke? Did she tell you that? Do you have her on record stating that? Or are you just making things up, again.

[1bad65]

I'm really sick of this crap that if you criticize Obama, you're a racist.

I've criticized on this board people like Chris Dodd, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Ted Kennedy, Mary Landrieu, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, and Ward Churchill among others. Yet when I add Obama to the list, now I'm suddenly a racist.

[Reality_Check]

To me 1bad65's behavior seems fairly transparent. President Obama won the election fairly, by a large margin. So, he and his ilk must paint President Obama as "other"...as something foreign and illegitimate.

In a nutshell, he's a sore loser. What they couldn't win at the ballot box, they'll try to destroy by smears and innuendo. It's tribalism at its "finest".

[Reality_Check]

You brought it up to highlight his "otherness" to imply that he is not American enough and therefore in your eyes less than. It was Xenophobic.

It has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with the Constitution and the rule of law.

Oh so you’re a Birther now? Your first and second sentence have nothing to do with each other, where does it say in the constitution that you are not allowed to refer to your ancestry?

I would like to see 1bad65 address this instead of ignoring it.

[mawali]

Not to harp on this, but his wife said his home country was Kenya. She could have said he was from Hawaii, or Kansas, or even (gasp!) America.

Obama has ties to that country since his father's family is from there! Kenyans know that and Obama, as an Americas, is acknowledged as being born is USA.
Just as an American (obviosuly recent) of Serb origin will consider Serbia his home as opposed to Croatia or Bulgaria.
I am sure you realize Americans of different backgrounds express solidarity in many ways in the reverence of where their parents were born. If you are a recent immigrant, it is different from one who came to USA at the turn of the century (e,g 19th century) who are further removed from their roots than the former!

[1bad65]

To me 1bad65's behavior seems fairly transparent. President Obama won the election fairly, by a large margin. So, he and his ilk must paint President Obama as "other"...as something foreign and illegitimate.

In a nutshell, he's a sore loser. What they couldn't win at the ballot box, they'll try to destroy by smears and innuendo. It's tribalism at its "finest".

Not at all. I am very much against his policies though.

Anytime the President, the Congress, or the Supreme Court signs/interprets laws, I'm interested and like to discuss history and politics. I just so happen to disagree with most of his views, the guys is a socialist after all. Keep in mind his approval rating is below 50% now too. So it appears a majority of Americans are not too pleased with this guy. I'm just more vocal about it.

And those of us who voted for Bush in 2000 had to listen for 4 years about how he stole the election. So please, take the sore loser crap somewhere else. I've never said the guy didn't win, I just pointed out his wife said his home country was Kenya.