Obama the biggest recipient of BP oil cash

[1bad65]

I would like to see 1bad65 address this instead of ignoring it.

Address what?

Maybe I did miss a question he asked. If so, forgive me. I must have gotten hung up on him repeatedly bringing up race and missed the question(s).

[1bad65]

Obama has ties to that country since his father's family is from there! Kenyans know that and Obama, as an Americas, is acknowledged as being born is USA.
Just as an American (obviosuly recent) of Serb origin will consider Serbia his home as opposed to Croatia or Bulgaria.
I am sure you realize Americans of different backgrounds express solidarity in many ways in the reverence of where their parents were born. If you are a recent immigrant, it is different from one who came to USA at the turn of the century (e,g 19th century) who are further removed from their roots than the former!

Ok, fine. Let's say you are right, for the sake of argument.

What about his mother's side? She is American. If he was born here, and is half American origin, why would his wife say Kenya is his home country when he is half Kenyan origin, but wasn't born there? Hmmm.....

[mawali]

Ok, fine. Let's say you are right, for the sake of argument.

What about his mother's side? She is American. If he was born here, and is half American origin, why would his wife say Kenya is his home country when he is half Kenyan origin, but wasn't born there? Hmmm.....

Come on, my friend,
We all know that people of bi-racial ethnicity are usually affixed the ethnic group of the 'minority' parent as opposed to that of European ethnicity. If the European ethnicity is more pronounced then that is a different matter.

[SanHeChuan]

I'm not going to get into this with you. You have repeatedly brought up race, while I brought up the Constitution.

Put it this way: If what I posted about him being from Kenya is racist, then I'm as much a racist as the Founding Fathers. They made the rule, after all.

Your remark about the constitution and the founding fathers is irrelevant to this conversation unless YOU’RE saying that Obama was not born in the United States.

So, she misspoke? Did she tell you that? Do you have her on record stating that? Or are you just making things up, again.

She misspoke in the context of this argument. As you are taking her statement to mean that Obama was not born in the United States, which is not the meaning she intended, because obviously he was born in the United States. If that was what she meant then she did misspeak because he was born in the United States.

I'm really sick of this crap that if you criticize Obama, you're a racist.

I didn’t call you a racist I called you a Xenophobe. AND I didn’t call you that because you criticize Obama I called you a that because you disparaged the mans ancestry.

[1bad65]

Come on, my friend,
We all know that people of bi-racial ethnicity are usually affixed the ethnic group of the 'minority' parent as opposed to that of European ethnicity. If the European ethnicity is more pronounced then that is a different matter.

I don't know about you, but I don't label people like that.

I will say this; I've never seen anybody say their "home country" is a country other than the one they were born in.

[1bad65]

Your remark about the constitution and the founding fathers is irrelevant to this conversation unless YOU’RE saying that Obama was not born in the United States.

And you bringing in race was relevant?

Please explain how the Constitution is irrelevant when it says the President must be a natural born citizen, and we are discussing whether Obama was a natural born citizen?

She misspoke in the context of this argument. As you are taking her statement to mean that Obama was not born in the United States, which is not the meaning she intended, because obviously he was born in the United States. If that was what she meant then she did misspeak because he was born in the United States.

Then show me! I asked for you to show me where she said she misspoke, and you did not.

You can't just keep making things up, you're getting ridiculous.

I didn’t call you a racist I called you a Xenophobe. AND I didn’t call you that because you criticize Obama I called you a that because you disparaged the mans ancestry.

Bull****. I never disparaged his ancestry. You said I did, but of course you had to make up words I didn't say to back up your false assertions.

[SanHeChuan]

And you bringing in race was relevant?

Please explain how the Constitution is irrelevant when it says the President must be a natural born citizen, and we are discussing whether Obama was a natural born citizen?

Because Xenophobia and Racism are similar, and neither is acceptable.

So that is what you are saying, you’re a BIRTHER. HAHAHAHA!

Then show me! I asked for you to show me where she said she misspoke, and you did not.

You can't just keep making things up, you're getting ridiculous.

The fact that you think her comment means he is not a natural born U.S. Citizen is what is RIDICULOUS here.

Bull****. I never disparaged his ancestry. You said I did, but of course you had to make up words I didn't say to back up your false assertions.

I'm not making things up I'm holding up the mirror to show you what you read like. There is subtext to your words and it's not pretty. If you are not aware of it and do not intend it then I would suggest you heed our protests and change the language instead of trying to defend it.

Do you deny that you meant to disrespect the President of the United States of America when you referred to him as “the Kenyan”?

[Reality_Check]

Address what?

Please explain how the Constitution is irrelevant when it says the President must be a natural born citizen, and we are discussing whether Obama was a natural born citizen?

So that is what you are saying, you’re a BIRTHER. HAHAHAHA!

Well, I guess that answers my question.

[1bad65]

Because Xenophobia and Racism are similar, and neither is acceptable.

So that is what you are saying, you’re a BIRTHER. HAHAHAHA!

I don't label people, while obviously you do.

I'll say this on the topic--At first, I figured the people saying he wasn't born here were the typical wingnuts who see conspiracies on every corner. Then I looked at evidence, I actually took the time to research what they saying, rather than be like you and label them and write them off. They have some relevant points. For example, he went by another last name. His father was not a citizen. His early education took place overseas. His wife's quote. The fact he has not released his birth certificate. There is a good bit of evidence here. Is it enough to sway me? Not yet, but I am really starting to wonder if indeed on this subject, where there is smoke there is fire. But right now, I still can't say they have proven he wasn't born here.

And If I'm a "birther" or "xenophopic", so were the Founders. So while I despise labels that simple-minded people use, it's not exactly an insult to be called that.

The fact that you think her comment means he is not a natural born U.S. Citizen is what is RIDICULOUS here.

There you go making up things up again.

I'm not making things up I'm holding up the mirror to show you what you read like. There is subtext to your words and it's not pretty. If you are not aware of it and do not intend it then I would suggest you heed our protests and change the language instead of trying to defend it.

So, you aren't going to stop making up things I didn't actually say, and then trying to say I said them, right?

Do you deny that you meant to disrespect the President of the United States of America when you referred to him as “the Kenyan”?

I openly said it was a "dig". I did however, explain the context I used it in.

I actually didn't need you to 'interpret' that one.

[1bad65]

Well, I guess that answers my question.

Good thing we have San over here to tell people what I really mean, what I really think, and what I really meant to type.

[David Jamieson]

So 1bad, what is it about Obama's policies specifically that has you riled?
Also, which of his policies in particular are bugging you so much that you can't get on board with him being your president?

Please elaborate, I don't think you ever have gone on about anything other than:

1) he's kenyan!

2) he doesn't have a birth certificate!

3) he had an affair!

4) he has death panels!

5) he is the antichrist!

and so on. I don't think you have ever addressed any policy point as being wrong or poorly thought out and why.

feel free to point me at any argument you've given about Obama's Policies to date and what is wrong with them.
You tend to stick to regurgitating rush limbaugh content or something you saw on fox. You have yet to demonstrate and actual knowledge or understanding of current administration policies towards anything.

But by all means, please discuss policy flaw, why it's flawed and what would be a better solution. Then, after presenting your better idea, do a hand off via mail with your representative!

easy!

[1bad65]

So 1bad, what is it about Obama's policies specifically that has you riled?

Also, which of his policies in particular are bugging you so much that you can't get on board with him being your president?

You tend to stick to regurgitating rush limbaugh content or something you saw on fox. You have yet to demonstrate and actual knowledge or understanding of current administration policies towards anything.

Despite you typing this, which shows you have either not read many of my previous posts or you have failed to comprehend them, I will answer.

He is pro-abortion.
He has ran up record national debt.
His healthcare plan is way too socialist leaning for me.
He is against the War on Terror.
He is not supporting Israel as I feel the US should be.
He lied about not letting lobbyists into his Administration.
He wants to "spread the weath around".
He (and Congress) are printing way too much money right now, ie inflation.
He signed into law tougher EPA MPG standards on cars while he himself drove a HEMI-powered vehicle that did not meet the requirements he demanded of others.
He refuses to cut taxes when that is exactly what the economy needs right now.
He is following the failed policies of FDR.
He was for the bailouts of GM and Chrysler.
He took over a controlling share of GM.
He wasted billions of tax dollars on a stimulus plan that actually drove up unemployment.

But by all means, please discuss policy flaw, why it's flawed and what would be a better solution. Then, after presenting your better idea, do a hand off via mail with your representative!

easy!

Hope you are happy with my answer.

As to dealing with my Representative, my Rep is Lloyd 'Bolshevik' Doggett. Doggett is one of the most liberal guys in Congress. So it would be a complete waste of time.

[SanHeChuan]

I don't label people, while obviously you do.

"The Kenyan" is a Label. Here is another one Hypocrite; a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.

The fact he has not released his birth certificate.

Obama's Birth certificate

And If I'm a "birther" or "xenophopic", so were the Founders. So while I despise labels that simple-minded people use, it's not exactly an insult to be called that.

Not allowing a U.S Citizen by birth hold the office of president like the founders did is not the same as disparaging the man because of his ancestry like you did.

So, you aren't going to stop making up things I didn't actually say, and then trying to say I said them, right?

I didn't alter your posts.

I openly said it was a "dig". I did however, explain the context I used it in.

So, you think calling him a Kenyan is an insult. Since he is ONLY Kenyan through heritage by way of his father, you are indeed insulting the man’s ancestry.

[Drake]

Please explain to me how President Obama is against the war on terror. Really.

[David Jamieson]

He is pro-abortion. it's law in the usa, by proxy, so do you

He has ran up record national debt. not as much as his predeccesor and in fact he did it to create stimulus to bail out the economy which his predecessor destroyed

His healthcare plan is way too socialist leaning for me. what part? how familiar are you with it?

He is against the War on Terror. what exactly is that and who is the enemy?

He is not supporting Israel as I feel the US should be. Israel is still there, they'll be fine and they receive plenty of US support

He lied about not letting lobbyists into his Administration. did he? are their active lobbyists in his administration or are you talking about former lobbyists?

He wants to "spread the weath around". what does that mean to you? what do you think that means to him?

He (and Congress) are printing way too much money right now, ie inflation. the fed prints your money

He signed into law tougher EPA MPG standards on cars while he himself drove a HEMI-powered vehicle that did not meet the requirements he demanded of others. he has his own car? where?

He refuses to cut taxes when that is exactly what the economy needs right now. which taxes should he cut?

He is following the failed policies of FDR. which ones are those?

He was for the bailouts of GM and Chrysler. good thing they are paying back their loans with interest eh? Every president gets involved in corporate welfare at some level, as long as it gets paid back, it seems to be ok with everyone

He took over a controlling share of GM. actually, you did. As in the american people and you're gonna have to give that back right away as the health of those comapnies improves

He wasted billions of tax dollars on a stimulus plan that actually drove up unemployment. how so? how did the stimulus plan increase unemployment, please explain

anyway, no, your answers are lame, unclear, vague and not good enough to have you regarded as anything more than a mudslinger and a divisionary goon from the right wing. lol

Look how flaky all your answers are. Find any of those in any predominant threads of yours?

I didn't think so. Most of your stuff is whining about the same lame stuff that fox and limbaugh go on about. It's like you turn off your tv and then sit in front of your computer, in of all places here at kfm instead of some pundit blog of arguing and start laying down your weird world view which comes across as myopic, vitriolic right wing blathering.

so, can you actually be specific?