Wing Chun "defeats" MMA

[shawchemical]

Bahahahahahahahaha.

keep fishing fu.cktard.

[YungChun]

Hence "charging" in quotation marks.

Well to be honest I have never observed charging with quotation marks in a fight so I couldn't comment..

There is nothing wrong with charging per say, if it is controlled aggression and not half-assed.

And this is the problem: I don't normally associate a charge with control...

VT is about being grounded and using minimal momentum even in striking... Charge to me = major momentum.. Momentum = "Please throw me" in MMA or SanShou rules.

Invading and controlling the opponents space is NOT a bad thing.

And VT does this via position, measured/controlled movement and timing not by pouring momentum into the mix.. A core fundamental of the art IMO.

[Frost]

There is no tapping in a real fight. A real fight is KO or major injury.

Sport fighting is different.

umm where did i say it was the same, i said sparring is not fighting, and that competition fighting is different from sparring and closely to real fighting than sparring

[Knifefighter]

VT is about being grounded and using minimal momentum even in striking... Charge to me = major momentum.. Momentum = "Please throw me" in MMA or SanShou rules.

And VT does this via position, measured/controlled movement and timing not by pouring momentum into the mix.. A core fundamental of the art IMO.

Please show a clip of a WC person doing this in a full-contact setting.

[HumbleWCGuy]

I think that the obvious problem with this video is that we are all getting a good chuckle because the grappler easily defeated the WC man. However, the thing that we need to realize is that the WC man must have demonstrated something to get to a title bout.

[Frost]

I think that the obvious problem with this video is that we are all getting a good chuckle because the grappler easily defeated the WC man. However, the thing that we need to realize is that the WC man must have demonstrated something to get to a title bout.

i know guys who have fought for titles in various organisations with only a few or sometimes no fights under their belt especially a decade ago when not many people were competing

sometimes you get called up because no one else will compete, sometimes because your promoter talks a good fight, all we can say on the evidance of that fight he had no ground skills and his stand up was not suited to a full MMA comp

[taojkd]

I think that the obvious problem with this video is that we are all getting a good chuckle because the grappler easily defeated the WC man. However, the thing that we need to realize is that the WC man must have demonstrated something to get to a title bout.

Point. The vid did show that his record was 14-0. But is that verified? Where his wins in that organization that put on the show or another? If he has 14 wins why is there no clip of his other fights? Sherdog list his MMA record at 0-1. However, his website (http://falknerwingchun.com) has photos of him training what appears to be San Shao in China. So back in 1996 they would list any pro-fights you had whether it was MT, San Shao, K-1 etc.

Which exists where? Oh yeah, that film is located in the same library as the location of Jimmy Hoffa, Area 51 crash photos, and proof that Big Foot exists.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I can tell you that a lot of records were inflated in MMA in the beginning and I am sure that may still be the case in many competitions.

[YungChun]

Please show a clip of a WC person doing this in a full-contact setting.

Alan Orr's guys are doing exactly that.

[HumbleWCGuy]

Point. The vid did show that his record was 14-0. But is that verified? Where his wins in that organization that put on the show or another? If he has 14 wins why is there no clip of his other fights? Sherdog list his MMA record at 0-1. However, his website (http://falknerwingchun.com) has photos of him training what appears to be San Shao in China. So back in 1996 they would list any pro-fights you had whether it was MT, San Shao, K-1 etc.

Still, a professional match maker saw something in him to put him in that fight, a title bout. When you are looking to put together fights, its important to have fighters who can defend themselves against each other. I am sure that somebody saw something in him or he would not be there.

A sher dog listing is meaningless in of it's self. It's more to do with the promoter paying the IKF or some similar organization money than anything but you can rest assured that the same low quality fighters are at most of these shows either way.

[YungChun]

Yeah they saw something, pretty much what the kyokushin guys saw when they signed up that 90 pound weakling to fight in one of their tournaments.. A good way to discredit the art.

[Knifefighter]

Alan Orr's guys are doing exactly that.

Didn't you say they weren't doing WC?

[SAAMAG]

No that was the other wing chun guy

[Knifefighter]

No that was the other wing chun guy

LOL... hard to keep track of which WC guys think which other WC guys are doing WC.

[HumbleWCGuy]

No that was the other wing chun guy

I just said that I would not consider that clip that Dale posted to be the best example of WC in mma. I can't say that they aren't doing WC in general. I also said that no apology is necessary for going out and winning fights. The fighter certainly demonstrated some WC skills but I would not call what he did archetypal WC.



Since Alan and T. trained under the same instructor I was concerned that Alan guys were just LARPER WC training before proceeding to their MMA training but I have since found out that T. got his training via distance training so I feel much better about the quality of training that Alan's guys are getting in WC.