The Key

[taojkd]

Wow... the fact that you guys can't tell that these "grabs" are two completely differing movements, as well as completely differing principles, pretty much proves both your cluelessness about both structural integrity as well as the centerline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt3rOtqnnDk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3o6QjvRQ2U

Talk about not knowing basics.

Actually, it pains me to disagree with Dale as he's usually correct in his notion/opinion/expertise that WC and BJJ have nothing to do with each other, but a Lop Sau, by definition, means controlling hand. Pulling is implied, but theres nothing incorrect with an inside lop sau/dar. There doesn't need to be a pull in any one direction. Its a distinction between resting your hand on an opponent (Fook Sau) and grabbing it.

I will, however, state that an "arm drag", as show in the second vid, is not a WC technique as it does not follow any of the (in general with respect to various WC lineages etc.) principles, theories of WC. The initial grab on the inside of the wrist to set up the arm drag is an inside lop sau, but nothing after that even remotely.

[YungChun]

The initial grab on the inside of the wrist to set up the arm drag is an inside lop sau, but nothing after that even remotely.

Which is probably why I wrote the words "set up" when I posted that clip..