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    Hardwork 108 - this may be an interest to you.

    Here are some video clips I found on youtube about people who tried to use what they have learnt in (light) sparring matches. Sorry if you have seem them before.

    Karate student vs Kung Fu student
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4JiNrU7jEk

    Capoeira vs Drunken Boxing
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxiCS...eature=related

    MMA - Capoeira vs. Kickboxer
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8FJyScbV6s

    The Original Crazy 20 second Capoeira MMA Knockout
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6oiADjOdFg&NR=1

    Capoeira VS Karate - 27-4-2003 (Mosquito)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqrAV...eature=related


    I can tell the styles of those people were using in those sparring matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Hardwork 108 - this may be an interest to you.

    Here are some video clips I found on youtube about people who tried to use what they have learnt in (light) sparring matches. Sorry if you have seem them before.
    Thanks for posting the videos. They prove the point that if one sticks to training their given style in the way it was meant to be trained, without attempting to "improve" it by cross training in irrelevant styles, then one can use that same style during and for combat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman
    Karate student vs Kung Fu student
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4JiNrU7jEk
    I have seen this one before, but in the case of this particular video, I suspect that it is just a promo video to sell Kyokushinkai as a superior MA to kung fu.

    I believe that there is another version of this link on Youtube where one can see Kyokushin' s "superiority" over kung fu. However, the second clip of the second fight starting at 3:00, where the kung fu guy held his own, was conveniently short.

    IMHO, the sparring not only did not reflect good kung fu but it did not even reflect good Kyokushinkai.

    However, it still proves the point that each fighter was visibly using his individual art for combat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman
    Capoeira vs Drunken Boxing
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxiCS...eature=related

    MMA - Capoeira vs. Kickboxer
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8FJyScbV6s

    Capoeira VS Karate - 27-4-2003 (Mosquito)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqrAV...eature=related
    Again, one can still identify the individual arts, in these videos.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman
    The Original Crazy 20 second Capoeira MMA Knockout
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6oiADjOdFg&NR=1
    I found this one very interesting. It is the first time I have seen capoeira used in a ring setting in such an effective manner. Again, it goes to show that what your fighting looks like, will depend how hard you have stuck to your art and its techniques, concepts and principles, rather than cross train in irrelevant mish mash..

    Also, one can see the wisdom of not going back that is imprinted into the authentic training of many kung fu styles. When faced with Capoeira type attacks one must go forward and jam and disrupt the opponent's attempts. Of course, one must know how to this, from a kung fu perspective, and that is something that will not generally be taught in a kickboxing school.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman
    I can tell the styles of those people were using in those sparring matches.
    Agreed!

    Thanks again for the videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    My question is if they could apply their techniques in light contact sparring matches or against their fellow classmates in light contact sparring matches, then how come they abandoned their techniques when fighting in full contact sparring matches? This does not make any sense.
    The reason is simple. Because their techniques may not be solid enough yet. In the following short clip, you can see that the guy used the same SC "bear hug, outer hook" technique twice within 14 second. It proves that he did not use that move by accident without planing. Also he used the Longfist roundhouse kick, side kick combo to enter and finished with a TCMA SC throw, it indicated that he did not fight like a kickboxer (not sure round house kick, side kick combo is a common move used in kickboxing) or MMA guy (not sure bear hug outer hook is a common move used in MMA - also please notice that the hooking on opponent's "back leg" is very TCMA). This is a full contact Sanda/Sanshou fight and his opponent was very strong.

    http://johnswang.com/Sanshou_6.wmv
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 07-03-2010 at 08:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    The reason is simple. Because their techniques may not be solid enough yet. In the following short clip, you can see that the guy used the same SC "bear hug, outer hook" technique twice within 14 second. It proves that he did not use that move by accident without planing. Also he used the Longfist roundhouse kick, side kick combo to enter and finished with a TCMA SC throw, it indicated that he did not fight like a kickboxer (not sure round house kick, side kick combo is a common move used in kickboxing) or MMA guy (not sure bear hug outer hook is a common move used in MMA - also please notice that the hooking on opponent's "back leg" is very TCMA). This is a full contact Sanda/Sanshou fight and his opponent was very strong.

    http://johnswang.com/Sanshou_6.wmv

    It bears some similarity to judo's ko soto gake. True though, you don't see it much in mma.
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    jumping around throwing hits into solid...air doesn't exactly rate as "sparring".

    I don't know what that was other than a couple of dudes glamming for the cam? lol
    Kung Fu is good for you.

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    ya gotta be kidding me :O
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