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    Quote Originally Posted by SanHeChuan View Post
    Companies are not evil because the are rich, but they do need to be held accountable for their actions, and they should be regulated to prevent them from cutting corners, etc...
    Will you now hold Obama accountable for declining international offers of help?
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

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    I don't think the President has the authority to waive that Act. Anyone have any evidence otherwise? Most of that stuff requires an act of Congress, doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake View Post
    I don't think the President has the authority to waive that Act. Anyone have any evidence otherwise? Most of that stuff requires an act of Congress, doesn't it?
    Did you read the article? It CLEARLY stated other Presdents, including Bush, waived the Jones Act.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

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    Ask yourselves this: Why would an American President decline international help to ease the suffering of American citizens he is SWORN to protect?
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Will you now hold Obama accountable for declining international offers of help?
    By law, it is BPs responsibility. Fmr Pres Bush avoided declaring the Alaskan coast a distaster area as well, after the Exxon Valdez incident. Reason is legal, as federal intervention, in a court of law, could be seen as supporting the efforts of BP, which may nullify any and all lawsuits against BP.

    Again... everyone in congress except Joe Barton is laying the blame solely on BP. Should we have also assisted in the Toyota recall? Maybe we should also use government resources to assist in every recall or every time a company illegally dumps toxic waste?

    Does government intervene or not? Make up your minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Ask yourselves this: Why would an American President decline international help to ease the suffering of American citizens he is SWORN to protect?
    Legal reasons. The President isn't a dictator. He is held in check by a large amount of power controls. This has been this way since Washington chose not to become another King George.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake View Post
    By law, it is BPs responsibility. Fmr Pres Bush avoided declaring the Alaskan coast a distaster area as well, after the Exxon Valdez incident. Reason is legal, as federal intervention, in a court of law, could be seen as supporting the efforts of BP, which may nullify any and all lawsuits against BP.

    Again... everyone in congress except Joe Barton is laying the blame solely on BP. Should we have also assisted in the Toyota recall? Maybe we should also use government resources to assist in every recall or every time a company illegally dumps toxic waste?

    Does government intervene or not? Make up your minds.
    Get real. He declined help. If the other coutries offering to help actually demanded money (which they haven't), BP would have had to pay them.

    So why did he decline the help? Maybe he wants the suffering to continue so he can increase the odds of passing cap-and-trade. If not, can you tell us why he would decline help?
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake View Post
    The oil spill is the size of Colorado. President Obama is the LEAST of our worries.
    Obamas foot dragging resulted in his waiting 52 days to respond to the spill. He said "hes in control, the oil companies answer to him". Since when? I suppose his years of expertise in that field qualify him to "take control" , his years as a "community organizer" prepared him for this didnt it?
    The Russians have dealt with this before, know what they use when its out of control, a friggin nuke! Every single Scandinavian country has dealt with this in the North Sea, much rougher water then the Gulf and have proven workable methods to contain, control and clean these things up and what did the "community organizer" do? he turned their offers down. Why? a foreign expert might make Obamas Nobel prize winning advisor and himself look like drooling idiots? Too Late and 20 billion short. We have the worst spill in US history because this goofball is in the Oval office. He has no idea what hes doing and fortunately the public knows it.
    It didnt have to be the size of Colorado and it is now 100% Obamas problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake View Post
    Legal reasons. The President isn't a dictator. He is held in check by a large amount of power controls. This has been this way since Washington chose not to become another King George.
    Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself. The article CLEARLY STATED he has every right to waive the Jones Act. You may not like those facts, but they are the facts.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Drake,

    I'll re-post it, and highlight the parts you apparently have not read.

    "The law itself permits the president to waive these requirements, and such waivers were “granted, promptly, by the Bush administration,...”

    "During the Hurricane Katrina crisis five years ago, the Bush administration waived the Jones Act in order to facilitate some foreign assistance, but such a waiver was not given in this case."

    Source:
    http://www.examiner.com/x-7812-DC-SC...nes-Act-waiver
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Some more info from the article I posted:

    "Ironically, even the staunchest supporters of the Jones Act are now distancing themselves from refusals to accept foreign help, saying they have “not and will not stand in the way of the use of these well-established waiver procedures to address this crisis.” Obama was more intransigently pro-union than the unions themselves."

    This one takes the cake. Pay attention here SanHeChuan.

    "In April 2009, the Obama administration granted BP, a big supporter of Obama, a waiver of environmental regulations."
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    So the spill is now Obama's fault? AWESOME.

    IT IS BPs LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY TO CLEAN UP THEIR OWN SPILL.





    Nobody raised an eyebrow when Bush refused to declare the Alaskan coast a disaster area. BECAUSE IT WAS EXXON'S RESPONSIBILITY.

    You want businesses to be left alone, but it's not their responsibility to clean up their mess? Seriously?

    BP has the equipment to clean this up, but they are too busy accusing people of having food poisoning and inventing fake plumes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake View Post
    Legal reasons. The President isn't a dictator. He is held in check by a large amount of power controls. This has been this way since Washington chose not to become another King George.
    Not a dictator? nationalizing the biggest industries, biggest banks, the health care system of the economic engine of the planet and hes not a dictator? Whats Chavez, he did the same thing. Obama dreams of being a dictator and hes doing it one industry at a time, next up: every US based oil company can expect a 4 fold increase in thier taxes per barrel produced and brought into the US to finance a "fund" (probably held in one of Al Gores lock boxes) to be used in clean ups and oil disasters. how quickly will these companies re locate over the next ten years and how many jobs will they take with them, I guess virtually all of them. BP employs more Americans then any other nationality by the way and have already paid 20000 claims. How many has Obama paid, in fact what has Obama done except wave his bony hand and ask meekly "Im looking for an ass to kick"! Ill give you this Barrack Hussien Obama with his kind of humor could easily take over the Borscht belt comedy circuit.

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    Drake, I'm asking why would he decline offers of help to ease the suffering.

    Just answer that please.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake View Post
    BP has the equipment to clean this up, ...
    No they don't. But the countries who do have the advanced oil skimmers and other equipment were told "No" by Obama when they offered to help.

    Drake, you're starting to sound like one of those mindless followers of Obama who say he can do no wrong. I thought you were an independant thinker, and above that. Was I wrong?
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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