"Climategate" scientists cleared

[Drake]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe...ex.html?hpt=T2

"The seven-month review, led by Muir Russell, found scientists at the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU) did not unduly influence reports detailing the scale of the threat of global warming produced by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

"We went through this very carefully and we concluded that these behaviors did not damage our judgment of the integrity, the honesty, the rigor with which they had operated as scientists," Russell said."

"In a statement, Jones said he was "extremely relieved" the review was over. "We have maintained all along that our science is honest and sound and this has been vindicated now by three different independent external bodies," he said.

In March, a British parliamentary committee cleared Jones of hiding or manipulating data. A separate review in April by Lord Oxburgh found no evidence of impropriety, but said the scientists involved in the e-mails had been disorganized.

Climate scientist Michael Mann, who was referred to in Jones' email about "Mike's Nature trick,' said he hoped Wednesday's report would put the "bogus, manufactured scandal behind us."

"Human-caused climate change is a reality, and it's about time we get on to a meaningful discussion about what to do about it," he said."



It's about time, really. Of course, we have a couple of big oil pawns on this board who think that BP is being persecuted, oil is somehow an eternal resource (which is, even at the most base logical level, impossible) and that global warming is a myth. Keep lining their pockets, buddy...

[1bad65]

If they are so innocent, why did Phil Jones step down when the story broke?

As to lining the oil companies pockets, I guess I can assume you will be first in line for a new Volt, right?

[Drake]

If they are so innocent, why did Phil Jones step down when the story broke?

As to lining the oil companies pockets, I guess I can assume you will be first in line for a new Volt, right?

Actually, I own a hybrid. I'd love a Volt, though.

You are in no position to determine their innocence. The three independent scientific studies are, and they found them innocent.

My "guess" is that he stepped down in order to avoid causing trouble for his fellow scientists. You see it happen a lot in these professions. I think he recognized that his own priorities are not as important as the research.

Except big oil. They'd much rather go yacht racing while the Gulf dies instead of stepping down.

But they are being persecuted, right?

[1bad65]

You are in no position to determine their innocence. The three independent scientific studies are, and they found them innocent.

Actually anyone who can read English can judge them. The e-mails are right there for all to see. Legit scientists do not tell each other how to "hide" data.

Except big oil. They'd much rather go yacht racing while the Gulf dies instead of stepping down.

Maybe they should take up golf and basketball like our President has done throughout the spill.

But they are being persecuted, right?

Considering they were operating 100% within the law, yes they are being persecuted.

[Drake]

Uh... they weren't hiding anything. Are you actually going to go there and say three different independent investigations are wrong and you are right? Are you REALLY going to do that? Did you even bother checking into what the e-mails MEANT? And I read the e-mails too. I disagree with your assessment, and I'm even going to go off and say your beliefs are politically motivated.

And no, BP wasn't operating according to the law. They ignored safety regulations, and no they weren't granted a waiver for that.

[David Jamieson]

I'm wiling to bet that any day now Al Gore will trot out the old manbearpig travelilng show again. With new powerpoint slides!

See, these kinds of things are a hard sell. Climate change is inevitable and quite frankly I believe it was demonstrated right in the emails, that I can remember where data was deliberately left out in order to not leave any room for the counter proponents to argue.

Also, the very idea of climate change being fixable through cap&trade or some other form of taxation is absolutely and utterly ridiculous.

The world has been warming since the end of the ice age. Do they care that glaciers are SUPPOSED to recede at the end of an Ice age?

They also aren't dealing at all with corporations who produce these en masse technologies. They aren't revealing how people like my provincial premier has consistently denied applications for solar wind outfits, electric car builders and has still not made good on a promise from almost 5 years ago where he said he would put scrubbers into the stacks of coal fired electric plants across the province.

He has not, this is a lie.

The idea that you are responsible for the planet warming up because you use your car and your washer are ridiculous and what's worse is the outrageous hypocrisy being practiced by those people who are telling us that it's man's fault that the earth is changing and that we should all stop driving we should all stop laundering and we should all just sweat in the heat.


Bottom line for me in this is that the AGW group is a scam looking to start a new economy based on pilfering more taxes from the people.

God forbid anyone should rise up through their merits and live well.
screw those people, I honestly don't care for their lies anymore and I don't think that a court ruling changes anything that has already come out, it's just saying they aren't going to prosecute their guys for lying.

[1bad65]

And no, BP wasn't operating according to the law. They ignored safety regulations, and no they weren't granted a waiver for that.

So why haven't criminal charges been brought against them? What fines have been levied against them for breaking the laws?