WCK - watch your lifestyle and diet!

[sanjuro_ronin]

Hey, be nice to my pasta and bread !
Oh that seafood linguine with white wine...or some nice warm Italian bread with butter...mmmmm

[chusauli]

This was about increased risk from fruit juice.


This was about people with diabetes already established. There was nothing to suggest high fruit intake caused Type 2 diabetes. You do know that outside factors do not cause Type 1, right?

Of course. My point is overindulgence, not moderate fruit intake.

Yes, fruit juices are not much better than sodas (other than the fact that they often have antioxidant flavanoids). However, there is a world of difference between fruit juices and whole fruits.

Please learn the difference between processed simple carbohydrates and unprocessed, complex ones that are in whole, fiber-rich, unprocessed foods before making unfounded pronouncements that these foods cause disease.

Please, again, my point is overindulgence. And if you saw patients in the clinic, you'd know what I meant.

It takes a lot of junk to cause qualifying contestants in The Biggest Loser.

[chusauli]

Hey, be nice to my pasta and bread !
Oh that seafood linguine with white wine...or some nice warm Italian bread with butter...mmmmm

Hey, who doesn't love that?! Everything in moderation, including moderation.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Here is the thing though, over indulgence in anything, even water, can be harmful.
Fad diets the advocate a juice only or fruit only or even veggie only, can get some people into some serious health issues.

There was that lady that lives over 100 and "all" she ate was yogurt and there was that guy that lived to be over 100 and drank vodka everyday, and that other guy over 100 that never at a vegetable.

You always have to discount stuff like that, if there is ONE secret to good health then it is good living:
Be active,
Eat good food in moderation
Drink in moderation
Be happy
Love animals and have a pet.
Have family and friends and LIKE them.

[chusauli]

Paul,

I would add:

Sleep/Proper Rest
Moderate Stress
Healthy emotions
Genetic factors - avoiding pulling triggers
Clean Environment
Avoiding toxins, preservatives, artificial flavors/colors/sweeteners, pollutions, EMF exposure
Avoiding trauma/injury
Constant education

[anerlich]

You guys should thank Robert for his great advice.

I'll thank him for the parts of it that are correct, but much of his advice is disputed and (see below) I believe some of it to be wrong.

I don't go to a doctor or nutritionist for advice on Wing Chun or self defense. I don't seek health advice from WC practitioners either.

Body shapes and body fat % are not as important as people that want to sell you things make them out to be.
A six pack does not equal healthy, it equal low body fat , that's all.

Sounds like something only a fat b@stard would say (j/k)

Calcium is one of the biggest farces of all.

My wife comes from a family with history of osteoporosis and we went through quite a lot of research and consultation with specialists when a test showed she was somewhat at risk. The matter is fairly complicated and mixed up with Vitamin D ingestion and other things, but at the risk of being too blunt I can say with total confidence your statement above is way too glib, sweeping and overgeneralised. I would agree that calcium supplementation is probably only of benefit if you have specific medical conditions.

[chusauli]

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Calcium is one of the biggest farces of all.

My wife comes from a family with history of osteoporosis and we went through quite a lot of research and consultation with specialists when a test showed she was somewhat at risk. The matter is fairly complicated and mixed up with Vitamin D ingestion and other things, but at the risk of being too blunt I can say with total confidence your statement above is way too glib, sweeping and overgeneralised. I would agree that calcium supplementation is probably only of benefit if you have specific medical conditions.

If you need clarification, let's discuss. Ask me what I mean, and I can clarify. No wonder we have the same types of parallel discussions regarding WCK. You don't understand the same clinical context in which I speak.

Here's what I mean about Calcium being a farce, and I mean it for women who are largely self medicating and have no signs of osteopenia or osteoporosis, not a specific medical condition:

If you take Calcium supplementation without weightbearing exercise, there is no need for the body to uptake Calcium. Basically, you are sh!tt!ing your Calcium away (and probably giving yourself constipation or hard stools)! You will not be benefiting your bones in anyway if you have osteopenia or osteoporosis by not doing exercise.

And if you have a healthy diet with dairy and dark, green, leafy veggies, and bone soups, and get a reasonable amount of sunshine, and regular weightbearing exercise, you don't need the Calcium or Vitamin D! All of that is a means to sell that supplementation!

Theoretical non clinicians beware!

[anerlich]

If you need clarification, let's discuss. Ask me what I mean, and I can clarify.

Look, you made a bald, glib statement that totally BEGGED clarification. IMO that placed the onus on you to clarify.

Which you did.

You don't understand the same clinical context in which I speak.

Oh, spare me.

You do acupuncture and TCM. Nothing wrong with that but your expertise hardly crosses the spectrum of modern dietary science.

If you were my wife's doctor in a CLINICAL CONTEXT and said "Calcium supplementation is a total farce" you'd be running the risk of a malpractice suit.

Theoretical non clinicians beware

Good advice to anyone seeking, and EVERYONE giving, dietary and lifestyle advice on tihs forum.

[chusauli]

Andrew,

You must be having a hard day! Lighten up dude!

I agree, this is a discussion board. If you have a medical problem, do seek medical intervention and a local medical practitioner. This discussion board/chat room should not be a place to get medical advice for your specific condition. I'm not giving any specific for anyone's condition, nor did I diagnose or treat anyone here. We're just WCK guys shooting the breeze on a Thursday afternoon and having a good time.

FWIW, I have studied clinical nutrition, Western, Chinese and Ayurvedic. Certainly, there are Ortho-molecular Biology giants, and other nutritionists who know a lot more and get great clinical effect. I don't claim to be one. And the more you study in the field of nutrition, the more you will find major conflicts and politics over certain practices. Kind of like WCK.

[Knifefighter]

FWIW, I have studied clinical nutrition, Western, Chinese and Ayurvedic.

Yet you didn't know the difference between simple and complex carbohydrates, something you would learn in a college nutrition 101 class.

I have a problem with "professionals" dispensing nutritional advice when they don't even know the very basics of nutritional science.

[chusauli]

Dale,

I certainly know the difference. The perceived not knowing is in your head.

What makes me laugh is these assumptions.

[Knifefighter]

Dale,

I certainly know the difference. The perceived not knowing is in your head.

What makes me laugh is these assumptions.

If you know, then you are deliberately lying to your clients by telling them rice is a simple carbohydrate:

When people ask me about brown rice better than white, it is in a way, but also a misleading farce - its still a simple carb, with a smaller glycemic index.

So which is it? Did you not know, or have you been misleading people?

[chusauli]

You're right!

I made a mistake! Thank you for pointing out my typo.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/002469.htm

[Ultimatewingchun]

Sits down with a bag of potato chips (ahhh, I mean...legumes)...and waits !!!

[Wu Wei Wu]

Came across the Blue Zones stuff a while ago;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W92F-iTImG4

***p.s. meditation seems to be important component in health/wellness.

Suki