he11 i thought we were debasing this thread into the usual drivel driven dead horse stuff. from what I gather to your question..
No....
he11 i thought we were debasing this thread into the usual drivel driven dead horse stuff. from what I gather to your question..
No....
Originally posted by BawangOriginally posted by Bawangi had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.
Certain Chun attributes tactics may apply.. For example facing.. If you constantly work to face them, to issue force into their center and work to maintain your ability to attack can go a long way.. If you are constantly re-facing them they'll have a really hard time putting on a RNC.
There may well be ideas useful in the art for these things but in my understanding of the art it does not grapple.. And as such once you are grappling Chun can't defeat it since it doesn't grapple in the conventional sense. The idea is to unleash power and break structure so they don't have a chance to do their grappling..
In cases where folks must grapple it's best to train grappling--and train Chun against grapplers.
Last edited by YungChun; 07-22-2010 at 07:31 AM.
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I think you are mistaking free style or college wrestling for catch wrestling. Think of all the different styles of wrestling, grecco, free-style, submissions etc. This is catch, you won by pin or submission. Hence they used to be called "hookers" as you hook the hold, "rippers" were the more dirty ones. Lots of neck cranks, arm bars, figure fours, leg/ankle/toe locks, throws, takedowns, boxing etc.
Story goes it started in england and was developed by people being taken on the navy ships and going to other countries, the wrestlers learnt different things and brought it back and mixed it all togeather. The strength and conditioning excerises are mainly indian based,ie sunasuns, twin mace etc. It also
It was taught to the japanese who mixed it with kickboxing and made shootfighting. Its alot more then just pinning a person.
Ah my friend you have no idea again what your talking about again. I try to cross train with Greco, freestyle and Olympic (anyone who can show me anything). I don't do if often and I normally have to get the rules refreshed but pin normally equals a win. You don't escape from a pin if you have lost.. you start over or you get off the mat.
Even in Olympic Judo a pin for (I think 40 seconds?? don't remember) equal a win.
Judo has escapes because the pinned combatant has the chance to still fight once they are pinned (for a descent amount of time). That is why you will see many Judokas "stall" by just holding and pinning. The idea is normally in Olympic Judo you get the win or you get stood up if its not a clean pin.
Wrestling escape:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfBvTeQcP_A&feature=fvsr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTWpPld4zLM
a wrestling "quick" pin wins:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG7zC...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDigV...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFXb6K6F_4M&NR=1
again a short pin equals a win, so as the person pinning I need to use all my strength to pin and hold for a short time. The person being pinned whole job is to do everything outside of giving the guy a Blow job, to not get pinned.
I'm not saying wrestling sucks or that one idea is better than the other. They are two different skills, and two different sports. All sports will find that techniques and styles will be geared to the rules.
I'm no expert on wrestling, and I'm probably going to say something wrong about the rules.. but I have just a little more experience than you.
Again I love Catch, I have nothing against it at all.. I don't like Tony Cecchine.. he is a fraud and its a well known fact.
Last edited by monji112000; 07-22-2010 at 08:18 AM.
you act like this is just about to happen....this has been going on for about 20 years already, look at matt hughes, koscheck, etc, hell look at coleman, kerr from years ago, the evolution has already happened and they didnt go to a catch school to learn they went to BJJ teachers get over it
I'm LONG done having to defend Tony Cecchine (or myself) - as regards cacc wrestling.
I know what I can do (and what I know)....and I know what Tony C's strengths and weaknesses are.
You guys are just NOT going to drag me into another one of these clown troll threads - no matter how much people like Robert Chu may have been hoping it would turn into that. Sorry.
I have numerous things to take care of at this point in my life - and horse5hit threads are just not part of the program.
I will leave you with one thought, however.
Josh Barnett thinks highly of Tony Cecchine's catch knowledge and skill - and has said so on a number of martial art forum chat rooms over the last 6-7 years.
Erik Paulson is also on record for the same thing.
Take it up with them.
Last edited by Ultimatewingchun; 07-22-2010 at 08:46 PM.
And of course I could expect this comeback from you. I only see a hand full of people posting on these forums, so this is not a large enough cross section of people to really generate a reasonable concensus. Most of the people,(but not all) that post on the wc forum are wannabies, trying to hybridize it with boxing or some such.
I can count the regulars on one hand mostly, and on the other hand the simi regulars, so I am not really concerned with your opinions.
Then there was no need for your reply.I am not really concerned with your opinions.
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revolution... heheh.... evolution!i know that, you know that, they know that, pretty much anyone who has competed knows that...but someone has a hard time understanding that and is still waiting for the revolution.....
some people are scared of change... plain and simple truth.
Originally posted by BawangOriginally posted by Bawangi had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.
I don't think its so easy to get into these postions unless you make a mistake or want to be there. We have seen people able to stuff takedowns etc, to stop getting into these positions.
I'm with alan using the catch/bjj