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    Fedor: I Don't train Jiu Jitsu, Sambo Is Superior

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    In a translation written by youtuber BuilDozerrrr in reference to Fedor Emelianenko’s interview after the stunning loss to top 10 ranked fighter and former ADCC champion Fabricio Werdum, Fedor speaks about how he feels towards the fight:


    Fedor, how do you feel?
    Good, don’t feel anything special.

    We, the fans, feel for you.
    Thank you.

    On the possible rematch with Werdum:
    If Fabricio Werdum agrees on a rematch, of course I would like to have one. I became the victim of my own mistakes. Things like that happen.

    Did you prepare yourself in the discipline of Brazilian Ju Jitsu? Do you think that it was a mistake that you did not bring a BJJ specialist to train with?
    No. I don’t train Ju Jitsu at all. I train in Sambo. Sambo is a superior fighting/grappling system. That night it was my own mistake that caused the loss (not a mistake made in training & preparation). I was overconfident.

    About the date of the rematch:
    I would be glad to take the rematch at any time. But this is a question for Vadim and Strikeforce.
    I do not take these decisions myself.
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    And then there's Josh Barnett...


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    a lot can be lost in translation you know. Not saying he didn't say that, but the small things that make you understand something one way and if you rearrange them a little different they make it sound like something else.

    Just throwing that out there.
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    Is it just me or does it seem that after every Strikeforce venue we come away with "rematch" talks. Is their talent pool that shallow? Or is it their comentators are that undereducated in MMA that the only intelligent sounding question they can conjure up is to ask the athletes about a rematch?

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    dont forget national pride, im sure many brazillians would say the exact opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatewingchun View Post
    http://steverattlesnake.cliquezone.c...o-is-superior/

    In a translation written by youtuber BuilDozerrrr in reference to Fedor Emelianenko’s interview after the stunning loss to top 10 ranked fighter and former ADCC champion Fabricio Werdum, Fedor speaks about how he feels towards the fight:


    Fedor, how do you feel?
    Good, don’t feel anything special.

    We, the fans, feel for you.
    Thank you.

    On the possible rematch with Werdum:
    If Fabricio Werdum agrees on a rematch, of course I would like to have one. I became the victim of my own mistakes. Things like that happen.

    Did you prepare yourself in the discipline of Brazilian Ju Jitsu? Do you think that it was a mistake that you did not bring a BJJ specialist to train with?
    No. I don’t train Ju Jitsu at all. I train in Sambo. Sambo is a superior fighting/grappling system. That night it was my own mistake that caused the loss (not a mistake made in training & preparation). I was overconfident.

    About the date of the rematch:
    I would be glad to take the rematch at any time. But this is a question for Vadim and Strikeforce.
    I do not take these decisions myself.
    two questions, apart from fedor name me two other world class sambo MMA guys....
    and did you see how easily that triangle was put on?

    i love fedor but if sambo is better than BJJ then where are all the other russians tearing it up in MMA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatewingchun View Post
    some good points fedor needs to train against BJJ as he did in pride
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    two questions, apart from fedor name me two other world class sambo MMA guys....
    and did you see how easily that triangle was put on?

    i love fedor but if sambo is better than BJJ then where are all the other russians tearing it up in MMA...
    why does this matter? the man doesnt train in bjj because he doesnt see the use for it and hes become a fantastic grappler with out so who is anyone to argue?

    No one can reason that if he knew bjj he woudlnt have got triangled as the submission isnt unique to the art

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaolin View Post
    Is it just me or does it seem that after every Strikeforce venue we come away with "rematch" talks. Is their talent pool that shallow? Or is it their comentators are that undereducated in MMA that the only intelligent sounding question they can conjure up is to ask the athletes about a rematch?
    Their talent pool is that small.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    some good points fedor needs to train against BJJ as he did in pride
    ***IN MY OPINION, these two (Fedor Emelianenko and Josh Barnett) are the two best heavyweights out there.

    And as for "how easily" he got caught in the triangle...I think it's pretty obvious that he has little fear of it - and with good reason - as Barnett explained why. But this time Fedor got sloppy and overconfident about it.

    He may appear to be a bit simple; but in truth, he's one smart dude who just lives a simple life. And good for him.

    Yeah, bringing someone into camp with leg long legs and a good triangle would have been the best thing to do when training for a fight with a guy like Verdum - but that's water under the bridge - until the next time.

    Which is a long way from saying that he "should train in Bjj." He's doing just fine with his Sambo. As for the "superiority" remark - he's right...since Sambo teaches the whole nine: Standup/Clinch/Ground.

    The Bjj standup is what, exactly?

    And he's still the best fighter in the world, imo.

    And why not a rematch with Verdum?

    As for talent pools and what I said earlier, they've got to get Barnett back into the picture.

    That's a match I'd buy ppv to see: Fedor vs. Barnett.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goju View Post
    why does this matter? the man doesnt train in bjj because he doesnt see the use for it and hes become a fantastic grappler with out so who is anyone to argue?

    No one can reason that if he knew bjj he woudlnt have got triangled as the submission isnt unique to the art
    because if sambo was such a superior grappling form it would be dominating MMA not to mention ADCC (the premier no gi competition on the planet) the fact that it does not dominate in MMA and never places in ADCC suggests that it is not the superior form of grappling out there...feel free to argue but the fact that fedor is an excellent grappler but none of his team mates are at the same level suggests its down to him and not the style

    actually the guard is so far advanced in BJJ compared to sambo or even judo, that he needs to train against a great BJJ player in order to understand how a world class BJJ guy sets it up and hold position (escaping a good guys triangle is one thing, escaping a world class one is another all together)

    its just common sense, just as he would train against the best wrestlers around if he was fighting a greco guy he should do the same if he is going to fight a world class BJJ guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatewingchun View Post
    ***IN MY OPINION, these two (Fedor Emelianenko and Josh Barnett) are the two best heavyweights out there.

    And as for "how easily" he got caught in the triangle...I think it's pretty obvious that he has little fear of it - and with good reason - as Barnett explained why. But this time Fedor got sloppy and overconfident about it.

    He may appear to be a bit simple; but in truth, he's one smart dude who just lives a simple life. And good for him.

    Yeah, bringing someone into camp with leg long legs and a good triangle would have been the best thing to do when training for a fight with a guy like Verdum - but that's water under the bridge - until the next time.

    Which is a long way from saying that he "should train in Bjj." He's doing just fine with his Sambo. As for the "superiority" remark - he's right...since Sambo teaches the whole nine: Standup/Clinch/Ground.

    The Bjj standup is what, exactly?

    And he's still the best fighter in the world, imo.

    And why not a rematch with Verdum?

    As for talent pools and what I said earlier, they've got to get Barnett back into the picture.

    That's a match I'd buy ppv to see: Fedor vs. Barnett.
    sorry but Barnett is not above overeem let alone the HWs in the UFC.

    He had little fear of it because he has never faced that level of grappling before, not even Nog was that good, fedor is not simple and i never suggested it, what he was was sloppy. He has trained his stand up the last few fights and thought his past grappling expereince would be enough against a world class ground guy...he was obviously very very wrong

    so sambo is superior because it teaches more things and doesnt cover then as in depth....right thats a good arguement right there

    sambos ground work is simply not on a par with BJJ especially when it comes to the guard, its rules etc mean the guard isnt that well used etc

    if it was superior it would be winning all the time in ADCC (a no gi platform that has rules which favour no style and which BJJ cleans up in year after year) the fact that fedor is the only sambo trained guy in the top of any weight catagory speaks volumes about the art

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    "He had little fear of it because he has never faced that level of grappling before, not even Nog was that good..."
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    ***COMPLETE BULL5HIT.

    Wrong about Nog...and wrong about the level of grappling within Sambo.

    God, you really are a total nut hugger - aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatewingchun View Post
    "He had little fear of it because he has never faced that level of grappling before, not even Nog was that good..."
    ............................................

    ***COMPLETE BULL5HIT.

    Wrong about Nog...and wrong about the level of grappling within Sambo.

    God, you really are a total nut hugger - aren't you?
    ADCC record:
    -ADCC 2007 over 99 Kg: 1st place
    -ADCC 2005 over 99 Kg: 3rd place
    -ADCC 2003 over 99 kg: 2nd place
    -ADCC 2003 Absolute: 3rd place
    BJJ record:
    - World Jiu Jitsu Champion 2004
    - World Jiu Jitsu Champion 2003
    - World JJ Champion 2000 (weight and absolute)
    - World Jiu Jitsu Cup Champion 2004
    - 3 times Panamerican JJ Champion (2000, 2001, 2002)
    - 5 times European Champion (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003)
    - US Open 2003 Champion

    Nogs grappling record

    ADCC World Submission Wrestling Championships
    2000 ADCC - 99kg+: Quarter finals
    CBJJ World Championships
    1999 Black Belt Absoluto: 3rd Place
    1997 Purple Belt Pesadissimo: 2nd place

    here i made it easy for you which of the above is the better pure grappler.....


    ANd of course fedor has faced lots of adcc and BJJ worlds champions

    do you know what ADCC is victor, its the premier no gi grappling comp in the world (no gi so BJJ guys cant use the gi) and its format is just about the fairest there is to judge skills across all disciplines

    And if i am wrong about the level in sambo then please tell me outside the former soviet union how many countries compete in it and at what level, and how many sambo guys have cleaned house in ADCC or any other no gi tournement?

    its a good art but its rules have led to the guard not being as developed as in BJJ just as it has better takedowns than BJJ
    in order to beat a world class fighter you have to train against other world class fighters in that art...how the f&ck is that nut riding you idiot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatewingchun View Post
    ***IN MY OPINION, these two (Fedor Emelianenko and Josh Barnett) are the two best heavyweights out there.

    And as for "how easily" he got caught in the triangle...I think it's pretty obvious that he has little fear of it - and with good reason - as Barnett explained why. But this time Fedor got sloppy and overconfident about it.

    He may appear to be a bit simple; but in truth, he's one smart dude who just lives a simple life. And good for him.

    Yeah, bringing someone into camp with leg long legs and a good triangle would have been the best thing to do when training for a fight with a guy like Verdum - but that's water under the bridge - until the next time.

    Which is a long way from saying that he "should train in Bjj." He's doing just fine with his Sambo. As for the "superiority" remark - he's right...since Sambo teaches the whole nine: Standup/Clinch/Ground.

    The Bjj standup is what, exactly?

    And he's still the best fighter in the world, imo.

    And why not a rematch with Verdum?

    As for talent pools and what I said earlier, they've got to get Barnett back into the picture.

    That's a match I'd buy ppv to see: Fedor vs. Barnett.
    So Fedor is one of the best grapplers in the world right? ok So what tittles in a all grappling tournament is he world champion of? What about Josh? There was talk between Fedor and Adcc to have him fight but that fell through (money wasn't good enough I hear).

    What takedowns does BJJ have ? Well most bjj world champions train with high level wrestlers (that doesn't mean they are elite wrestlers) or Judo fighters. What takedowns do Catch fighters have again?? not freestyle or greco roman takedowns but "catch" exclusive takedowns..? the argument is moronic because everyone is training with everyone and evolving (everyone but fedor).

    There is not grappling style that is better at escaping submissions and passing the guard that BJJ. Fact . That was his two big mistakes in the fight.. and well the fact that he chooses to not learn and evolve .. is sad. Sambo is allot to offer but not in those categories (no disrespect to anyone). Its best to learn from people who specialize in what you are trying to do.. I'm not going to go to a Wing Chun School to learn how to fight standup MMA.. ( I love wing chun but thats just not smart)

    Victor have you even trained with a Sambo fighter? They are amazing a few things, but like Judokas they suck (not always but often) at two specific areas: guard passing (and guard playing) and submissions escaping..

    my guess as so that statement about training with BJJ people , its more related to the fact that he is trying to make money. I hear he is working on getting some "fedor combat Sambo" gyms in a few cities in the US.. People really don't realize how much Fedor is a business man.
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