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    Live resistance

    Do you have it and use it?? When training your "said" art/style/what ever; do you go full/ half/ backyard forms/one step sparring/ or just like the idea of believing you can actually fight?


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    Originally posted by Bawang
    i had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.
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    Kung-Fu is much too dangerous to fight with real resistance. Too many deadly techniques. Better off just doing forms in the mirror. Even shadowboxing can lead to injuries. Better still to just watch films and play videogames in a satin uniform, maybe wear a Chinese jacket and walk around town, eat Chinese roast pork on garlic bread with duck sauce at the diner with chopsticks.
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    Kung-Fu is much too dangerous to fight with real resistance. Too many deadly techniques. Better off just doing forms in the mirror. Even shadowboxing can lead to injuries. Better still to just watch films and play videogames in a satin uniform, maybe wear a Chinese jacket and walk around town, eat Chinese roast pork on garlic bread with duck sauce at the diner with chopsticks.
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    Kung-Fu is much too dangerous to fight with real resistance. Too many deadly techniques. Better off just doing forms in the mirror. Even shadowboxing can lead to injuries. Better still to just watch films and play videogames in a satin uniform, maybe wear a Chinese jacket and walk around town, eat Chinese roast pork on garlic bread with duck sauce at the diner with chopsticks.
    I have heard this before.... must be true if I've heard it once before.
    Originally posted by Bawang
    i had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.
    Originally posted by Bawang
    i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TenTigers View Post
    eat Chinese roast pork on garlic bread with duck sauce at the diner with chopsticks.
    mmmm....roast pork....

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    "Resistance" is just a regurgitated word from the faddish side of MMA. "Pressure" is a substantially better word IMO, and one that is much more important in the production of skill. If you are trying to pull something off and your opponent is just "resisting", then youre better off changing; else, you are just arm wrestling--which is really not very "live" IMO. Its actually kind of silly.

    When pressure (intensity, speed, power, etc) is applied, it puts the situation in context and the actual concept of "resistance" becomes less important because, well you either pull it off or you dont. When my teachers train me and when I train my students, every second we train is under pressure. If theres no pressure, its a different activity entirely...might as well be fishing on the lake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumDragon View Post
    "Resistance" is just a regurgitated word from the faddish side of MMA. "Pressure" is a substantially better word IMO, and one that is much more important in the production of skill. If you are trying to pull something off and your opponent is just "resisting", then youre better off changing; else, you are just arm wrestling--which is really not very "live" IMO. Its actually kind of silly.

    When pressure (intensity, speed, power, etc) is applied, it puts the situation in context and the actual concept of "resistance" becomes less important because, well you either pull it off or you dont. When my teachers train me and when I train my students, every second we train is under pressure. If theres no pressure, its a different activity entirely...might as well be fishing on the lake.
    nope resistance is not from the faddish side of MMA thats "aliveness"

    progressive resistance is a great term for it, i can attack with great intensity and pressure but not resist your response, that is still inefficent training, progressive resistance is what helps make a fighter good

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    resistance/pressure what ever, I believe the point was the same all around. Do you train in a manner that lives up to the expectation?
    Originally posted by Bawang
    i had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.
    Originally posted by Bawang
    i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.

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    Kung-Fu is much too dangerous to fight with real resistance. Too many deadly techniques. Better off just doing forms in the mirror. Even shadowboxing can lead to injuries. Better still to just watch films and play videogames in a satin uniform, maybe wear a Chinese jacket and walk around town, eat Chinese roast pork on garlic bread with duck sauce at the diner with chopsticks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonzbane76 View Post
    Do you have it and use it?? When training your "said" art/style/what ever; do you go full/ half/ backyard forms/one step sparring/ or just like the idea of believing you can actually fight?

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    I spar daily at full resistance and speed with sharp knives. This is the only way to "be sure" the movements really work. If you haven't actually stabbed someone to death you don't know "for sure" that you actually can perform the technique correctly. Similarly if you haven't been stabbed to death you don't actually know your technique won't work.


    It's very logical isn't it?
    "The first stage is to get the Gang( hard, solid power). every movement should be done with full power and in hard way, also need to get the twisting and wrapping power, whole body's tendon and bones need to be stretched to get the Gang( hard) power. "
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    It depends on whether you are in "training" or "testing".
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 07-27-2010 at 09:14 PM.

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    Real Kung Fu (tm) can only be done on concrete covered in AIDS infected needles with multiple opponents all carrying spears. Since this is hard to do, most people remain at the level of "knucklehead" but if they are very lucky they can go play in the woods at being a spartan (nude lube included)
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    "(...)but if they are very lucky they can go play in the woods at being a spartan (nude lube included)"

    ...what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    nope resistance is not from the faddish side of MMA thats "aliveness"
    So be it...


    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    progressive resistance is a great term for it, i can attack with great intensity and pressure but not resist your response, that is still inefficent training
    Maybe when you say resist, whan you mean is that you cannot successfully handle the pressure? I feel like the term "resist" gives new students the wrong idea but its probably not worth arguing too much about.

    If you can not handle a given level of intensity from your opponent, then something will break down. That is, you can attack will all the gusto in the world, but when I respond in kind, youll fail (to resist, I guess) unless youve previously trained your brain to deal with that level of pressure/intensity. If you have previously trained your brain to deal, then you will have a much higher probability of success. Yes? Pressure/intensity is the active component...


    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    progressive resistance is what helps make a fighter good
    Do you spend time doing solo shadow boxing or pre-arranged drills/padwork. etc? I think perhaps these types of items do not adhere to the "progressive _____" framwork, unless you are doing these types of things simply for a warmup or fitness...Or started progressive training yesterday...
    Last edited by PlumDragon; 07-28-2010 at 07:49 AM.

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