Fighting not the answer

[sanjuro_ronin]

lol, I don't have to save! I just converted the values over!
bwahahahaa.

these days, I am quite gnostic in my relationship with god.

we're tight, it's all good.

Just keep an eye out for the "Thai Surprise" that's all and watch out for the "Terceira Perna" if you are ever in Brasil.

[David Jamieson]

Just keep an eye out for the "Thai Surprise" that's all and watch out for the "Terceira Perna" if you are ever in Brasil.

Terceira Perna

[sanjuro_ronin]

BBWWAHHHHH !!!
Nice one.

[PalmStriker]

Humans have been fighting ever since they could be called "humans". Some day that may change.

[Hardwork108]

Terceira Perna

Hey David, is that your Tae Kwon Do master?

[shaolinboxer]

"The purpose of all martial art is an end to fighting." - Shizuo Imaizumi

[David Jamieson]

"The purpose of all martial art is an end to fighting." - Shizuo Imaizumi

This is true.

[Dragonzbane76]

so true some here don't believe it....

[David Jamieson]

so true some here don't believe it....

Many don't.

But maybe it's because they don't realize that they have the power to stop violence already.

[Violent Designs]

Frank, the problem is (I would assume it is an internal one stylistically speaking) some of these people who propose that martial arts or Chinese martial art specifically is/should-be more or less about the "spiritual" aspect and that violence/violent nature of martial arts should be an undertone below that. I believe some of these guy's styles/systems may not have been created for violent altercations e.g. REVOLUTIONS and such. Perhaps I am wrong, but this is just one example I can think of.

For example Ueshiba Morihei, the founder of Aikido was pretty much a pacifist and created his own system based on the ideals and philosophies he held were TRUE. I respect that, he has absolute faith in his personal ideologies regarding how people should behave and how martial arts should reflect his preferences.

Personally I completely disagree, but remember, you and I are students of CLF, this is a system that was designed for massive amounts of turmoil, war, and bloodshed. There is nothing "fun" about learning CLF circa 200 years ago when most likely your destiny in life is to go out, fight, kill, and eventually be killed.

Hence the way our Sifus taught us, were based on those original ideologies, extremely militant, violent, and frankly unsightly methods. But for us two, at least, denying the archetypal nature of CLF as something OTHER than the personification of violence is something that I feel as "IMPURE" if you catch my drift.

And to teach it as otherwise, is a b4stardization of the art.

Maybe White Crane grew out of some monk's philosophizing regarding self defense and how to not hurt ppl as much as possible; I don't know, I don't study the system. But this is a brief explanation regarding Frank's viewpoint, something I share in this discourse, and my opinions on why different people from varying backgrounds feel the way they do.

enjoy

[David Jamieson]

ok, in another way of saying it.

You don't train martial arts to start fights, you train so you can end them as quickly as possible.



sometimes all it takes is a word or two.

[bawang]

this is caused by people's different perception of culture. in america, if a man says he says he believes in god, but does cocaine and takes it up the ass, hes not religious, but hes "spiritual".

spirituality in the chinese martial art world is one with racism and chinese nationalism and . they are one and the same. spiritual fulfillment in chinese kung fu world is vengeance. which not many kung fu people even in china understand.

[David Jamieson]

this is caused by people's different perception of culture. in america, if a man says he says he believes in god, but does cocaine and takes it up the ass, hes not religious, but hes "spiritual".

spirituality in the chinese martial art world is one with racism and chinese nationalism and . they are one and the same. spiritual fulfillment in chinese kung fu world is vengeance. which not many kung fu people even in china understand.

There is nothing specifically in the bible about cocaine and I don't think there's anything about taking it up the ass either.

I think there is an implied no no no about gayness in Leviticus of teh old testament, but it's been said, it's not what goes into a man that defiles him, it's what comes out.

I think you're too hard on the chinese. They've been on a long weird trip for thousands of years and teh world has changed hard on them in only the last century or so.

Wait til they catch up and then we're all in the soup. wait and see.

everybody worried about sharia law, wait until you live in china world™!

coming soon to a planet near you.

[Hardwork108]

this is caused by people's different perception of culture. in america, if a man says he says he believes in god, but does cocaine and takes it up the ass, hes not religious, but hes "spiritual".

spirituality in the chinese martial art world is one with racism and chinese nationalism and . they are one and the same. spiritual fulfillment in chinese kung fu world is vengeance. which not many kung fu people even in china understand.

Dave Ross, what I can't figure out is your love and hate relationship with China. Why make such false statements and untrue assumptions about "spiritual fulfillment in chinese kung fu world"?

What are you trying to achieve? Or what are you trying to convince people? That there is no morality in Kung fu and because of that we should all take up Kick Boxing, because it is more "functional"?

I have seen some desperate marketing in my time, but yours takes the cake......

[Violent Designs]

bawang is not david ross... ross is an American dude, bawang is Chinese.....