Manup Standup fights

[HumbleWCGuy]

just a question, since they are not really allowing grappling, why do they use 4oz gloves, i would have thought boxing gloves would have made more sense?

Did you study WC for a period of time? You can do WC with boxing gloves, but it has to be modified. With mma gloves it allows the techniques to be expressed and used more similarly to the way that they are initially taught. The same is true for other arts, especially TCMA.

[Phil Redmond]

. . . You can do WC with boxing gloves, but it has to be modified. With mma gloves it allows the techniques to be expressed and used more similarly to they way that they are initially taught. The same is true for other arts, especially TCMA.

Exactly,

[Phil Redmond]

I have an idea -- why don't they only allow 10 seconds for free-movement stand up too! That will allow for "some striking."

IMO, it's probably because sadly, most TMAs aren't very familiar with modern ground fighting. Those that are should be able to pull something off on someone unfamiliar to grappling in 10 seconds. I didn't make the rule but I've heard from the promoters that they want people to be able to use their arts against resisting opponents while standing.
There are grappling only events, and there is K1 with no grappling. So this is an event with "limited" grappling.
Hopefully, these TMAs will start learning to defend on the ground and maybe more time will be allowed on the ground.
My take is that since most TMAs don't fight at all that these events are at least a start for people getting used to full contact. (Excuse typos, just getting familiar with the iphone 4 keyboard)

[t_niehoff]

IMO, it's probably because sadly, most TMAs aren't very familiar with modern ground fighting. Those that are should be able to pull something off on someone unfamiliar to grappling in 10 seconds. I didn't make the rule but I've heard from the promoters that they want people to be able to use their arts against resisting opponents while standing.

No one is going to be able to pull any sub off in 10 seconds of ground time with a genuinely resisting opponent (unless they get very lucky).

And the rules also limit "stand up" grappling (clinch) to 10 seconds. This isn't consistent with "the promoters that they want people to be able to use their arts against resisting opponents while standing."

I think what the promoters really want is to keep the action mainly free-movement striking (kickboxing).

There are grappling only events, and there is K1 with no grappling. So this is an event with "limited" grappling.

So limited as to make it inconsequential.

Hopefully, these TMAs will start learning to defend on the ground and maybe more time will be allowed on the ground.
My take is that since most TMAs don't fight at all that these events are at least a start for people getting used to full contact. (Excuse typos, just getting familiar with the iphone 4 keyboard)

OK.

[HumbleWCGuy]

So limited as to make it inconsequential.

Have someone hit a big throw on you and then land on top. Then, ask yourself if it was inconsequential. San Da but now it is cool to land on them and suck some wind out

[t_niehoff]

Have someone hit a big throw on you and then land on top. Then, ask yourself if it was inconsequential. San Da but now it is cool to land on them and suck some wind out

Maybe you can point me to some videos of where that really made much of a difference in a fight? Because if it really doesn't make much of a difference, then it would be hard to call it consequential (since it had no significant consequences), wouldn't it?

[HumbleWCGuy]

Maybe you can point me to some videos of where that really made much of a difference in a fight? Because if it really doesn't make much of a difference, then it would be hard to call it consequential (since it had no significant consequences), wouldn't it?

Stop living vicariously and just experience it for yourself.

[t_niehoff]

Stop living vicariously and just experience it for yourself.

As I train MMA, I get taken down, thrown, etc. all the time. So I do experience it -- regularly. That's why I don't agree with you.

[HumbleWCGuy]

As I train MMA, I get taken down, thrown, etc. all the time. So I do experience it -- regularly. That's why I don't agree with you.

That's my point. You get gentlemanly treatment in the training hall and you think that the ring is the same way.

[t_niehoff]

That's my point. You get gentlemanly treatment in the training hall and you think that the ring is the same way.

Show me the videos where these throws were consequential. You can't. They are no more consequential in the ring than the gym.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDB8wk6P9g8

[Frost]

Did you study WC for a period of time? You can do WC with boxing gloves, but it has to be modified. With mma gloves it allows the techniques to be expressed and used more similarly to the way that they are initially taught. The same is true for other arts, especially TCMA.

two points, firstly not a wing chun comp its open to all styles, and secondly check the actual fights out and tell me they are using open hand techniques or any techniques that need an open gloves

[t_niehoff]

Did you study WC for a period of time?

BTW, this is really disingenuous when there is absolutely no evidence that YOU have ever trained WCK.

[Frost]

they are allowing some grappling. You have 10 seconds to pull something off on the ground.

they are allowing no time for any grappling to happen, but probably just enough time for an injury to happen as someone trys something stupid, either give them enough time to grappl both standing and on the ground or just ban it its not rocket science if you dont want it to happen just ban it from the rules

[Phil Redmond]

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[HumbleWCGuy]

BTW, this is really disingenuous when there is absolutely no evidence that YOU have ever trained WCK.

Other than the fact that I actually know what I am talking about whereas, you clearly do not.