It is bias to think that the art of war is just for killing people. It is not to kill people, it is to kill evil. It is a strategem to give life to many people by killing the evil of one person.
- Yagyū Munenori
Last edited by Syn7; 09-20-2010 at 07:40 PM.
arrrggghh!! NO! (bangs head against keyboard)
that's the whole thing-gwa, cup, pek,gow,sow,been, can all be done with boxing gloves on! What I don't understand is why nobody (except yours truly) has ever thought of it before.
Now, granted,I know not every style uses these techniques, but most Southern long arm styles do.(Hung-Ga, Jow-Ga, Hop-Ga,Fut-Ga, Hung-Fut, Lama,CLF, Fu Jow P'ai,etc)
Jamming and trapping techniques such as lan-sao can be used with gloves as well.
This is the weird thing; I have been trying to get Kung-Fu people to do this for years, and they would say,"You can't. The judges won't allow/recognize the techniques"
To which I responded,
"Bull****. you simply need to educate the judges!"
It's the weirdest thing. It's as if they were afraid to even try.
Slowly but surely, more and more KF guys are doing it. I am beginning to see more and more of these strikes being thrown.(mostly from CLF guys...)
Give it time.
"Trust the process!"
"My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
Gwok-Si, Gwok-Faht"
"I will not be part of the generation
that killed Kung-Fu."
....step.
because untill they are proven wrong, in their own mind they are right... a bit of objective thinking will have anyone realising that uness they train for the ring, they'll most likely get whipped in the ring... esspecially if they dont do full contact sparring at all...
Well gwa looks like a backfist. Because it is.
Charp chui looks like a jab.
Sau chui looks like a hooking punch/overhand
Pow chui looks like an uppercut...
so ppl will say, oh all you are throwing are jabs straights hooks and uppercuts...
I guess they are right, there is enough similarity in the path of motion.
You understand what I am saying I'm sure, I am not disagreeing with you on this matter.
It is bias to think that the art of war is just for killing people. It is not to kill people, it is to kill evil. It is a strategem to give life to many people by killing the evil of one person.
- Yagyū Munenori
so you don’t post videos in case guys you might meet on the street or in a ring see it? I don’t get this secrecy and line of thinking, there are videos of pros on line showing their fights and their sparring matches, i know what they do and their favorite technique, still doesn't mean i have a hope in hell of stopping it when we spar. Seeing the end result is useless without actually going through the process of how you got there, but it does help put people on the right line.
Without people willing to put up videos of what they are doing and what works/doesn’t work arts stagnate and die out.
BJJ is a classic example gracie torrance didnt let their guys compete for years and kept what they did in house...up shot was BJJ passed them buy and they got creamed in a comp with their cousins, now they are out there competing with everyone else.
Last edited by Frost; 09-21-2010 at 01:54 AM.
ok, so check this out: Last Sunday we were competing at an open tournament-point fighting. So my guy nails this guy with three sow choys-controlled contact to the side of the headgear. The center judge, a Karate practitioner, scolds him for throwing punches "like a woman"-because they were hooks to his head..?and he should be throwing straight punches...? um, what?
So I tell him, "No, these are sow choys, (which I demonstrate) and they are strikes that we do in our style, as well as cup choy(which I show him.)
He answers back, "Well, if you want to throw hooking strikes, you should throw ridgehands."
I say (quite a bit perturbed) "NO! We throw Sow choys. Don't tell him to change how he strikes, just because you are unfamiliar with the technique. A strike is a strike, the hand shape is not the issue."
-and this guy was a (supposedly) high ranking BB...who was inviolved in tournaments since the 70's?
Hmmm..doesn't seem to get out much...
"My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
Gwok-Si, Gwok-Faht"
"I will not be part of the generation
that killed Kung-Fu."
....step.
what's unfortunate is that kung fu tourneys are frequently filled with people like this.
It's so dissapointing. Probably time to take Kung Fu tournaments in a different direction from how the typical ones are run.
if you have san shou, it's san shou rules and no discretionary crap from opinionated blowhards.
Kung Fu is good for you.
The lesson here is VITAL to learn.BJJ is a classic example gracie torrance didnt let their guys compete for years and kept what they did in house...up shot was BJJ passed them buy and they got creamed in a comp with their cousins, now they are out there competing with everyone else.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
I have no need to compete, competing is not the same thing as using your material on the street.
Though for defense Im more inclined to shoot someone rather than put my hands on them.
Mouth Boxers have not the testicular nor the spinal fortitude to be known.
Hence they hide rather than be known as adults.
I was on the metro earlier, deep in meditation, when a ruffian came over and started causing trouble. He started pushing me with his bag, steadily increasing the force until it became very annoying. When I turned to him, before I could ask him to stop, he immediately started hurling abuse like a scoundrel. I performed a basic chin na - carotid artery strike combination and sent him to sleep. The rest of my journey was very peaceful, and passersby hailed me as a hero - Warrior Man
the argument that street doesn't count, as the people you are fighting are not trained, or skilled doesn't really mean that much to me.
I need to defend myself-period. The average attacker is not a well-conditioned cage fighter, and frankly, at my age, even if I was training hard, I doubt I would fair well against GSP.
The police have shootouts with perps-perps who do not go to the range, do not practice combat shooting, probably don't even know what a modified weaver is, and yet...in my mind, I kinda think that counts, right?
My Martial Arts has never failed me in self-defense encounters. I've been in a few, and I'm still here.
Sure, I would've loved it to look like a Bruce Lee movie,
but Bruce is dead and I'm not, so I win. Nyah!
"My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
Gwok-Si, Gwok-Faht"
"I will not be part of the generation
that killed Kung-Fu."
....step.