uh, chicken wing and various "come alongs" are in essence standing locks.
If it goes somewhere from there, fine, but to the best of my knowledge, standing locks are very popular with cops, jail guards and square badges.
lol so, I dunno, does their experience count? Or are we only talking about ring fight venues here where you have two equal opponents using same/same training regimens and approaching the contact from a particular ruleset?
what about coat drags? underhook and throw? these are all in the chinese martial arts I practice.
I guess the hating will never stop. lol