The weakest of all weak things is a virtue that has not been tested in the fire.
~ Mark Twain
Everyone has a plan until they’ve been hit.
~ Joe Lewis
A warrior may choose pacifism; others are condemned to it.
~ Author unknown
"You don't feel lonely.Because you have a lively monkey"
"Ninja can HURT the Spartan, but the Spartan can KILL the Ninja"
Syn7 - You are entitled to keep those items separate if you wish to and I appreciate your understanding that our faith is very important to us and we believe, for us, it is inseparable from our success. We would be remiss if we did not share that with others and let them decide for themselves. We simply wish to give the whole of what we believe contributed to our success and give credit where we believe credit is due. People can still train the techniques given without any switch or change in religious beliefs, but we wish to make that available to those who might need it. Thank you for understanding.
Drake - Once again, we are NOT a business focused group. We are a kung fu and ministry focused group. Simply because we offer products does not mean we have to subscribe to the everyday business acumen of a major seller. We choose to include those things in with our products because we do not seek to honor ourselves, but our Lord who gives us strength. Asking me to take down the name of Jesus simply because you believe that some people are not comfortable with it is not even close to a good enough reason as we are not ashamed of what we believe and will not betray our faith or stop preaching it because it makes us unpopular. Once again, it is OUR product and we may do as we wish with it. We are not seeking advice, simply to inform others that it is available.
P.S. - The taoists, buddhists, and hinduists that you no doubt idolize in the kung fu world are teaching people how to receive spiritual posession in order to increase their abilities. Go and tell them you want their religious practice out of the arts. Go and tell BaGua pracititioners to stop circle walking, as this was formed from a religious practice of taoist prayer. Go tell Yoga practitioners to stop trying to open their Chakras as this is religious practice. Otherwise, simply leave it alone, this affects you in no way and we have made it clear what we are willing to do and not do in regards to the advice people give us. It sounds like you are the one getting defensive at the mention of Jesus, so just take the info or don't, our stance will not change. What you are doing now is bordering persecution, not constructive criticism.
syn7, anytime we are together we discuss our faith and beleifs,especially while training. none of us teach classes. our teacher is a christain minister,Ricky Pickens, so naturally it comes up. i also train local at a kali,jiu jitsu class,that however is another story. i dont sit around talking much,i train,but if someone asks me i would tell them. i think most there know me,and funny thing one of the teachers there is a local hospital minister.
drake; it is cool i dont take offense in anything you have stated. we just have our way of doing things and it works very well,so we will stay as we are.
Teet
I posted my experience simply to state IP can be done incorrectly and cause some problems. Everyone was thinking "skeletal" and I havent ever seen any major problems in that area. I did not intend to imply that you should not have put out this info. I have no doubt, based on your postings and site, that you are competent and responsible, and I applaud your contribution to TCMA.
I openly admit it was my error which led to the problems. I was young (20 or so years ago) and like many young people, overconfident and overeager. But it the long run, it actually helped me- one can learn a great deal through their mistakes.
Eric Hunstad
www.OldSchoolKungFuNow.com
teet,
LOl this is funny statement, but yes I have a little backgound in MA 30 years only, and 13 in IP and its not easy to learn proper palm training and there is NO VERY FAST method to training the hand properly..... is this this how you learned? you bought a DVD at the book store? no you said you had a teacher... this is my point...... its videos like this that are the problem, I dont blame you for tryin to make a buck however YOU CANT LEARN IP OR MA PROPERLY FROM A DVD! you can learn about itas history, see it done but proper trainign cannot be supervised when you get a bunch of PPl damagining themselves due to incorrect training as many people have done. Have a lawyer on retainer because and you cannot be there to show them how and what they are doing wrong or when they begin to see calouses contusions, liver, spleen and eye damge.earthdragon; if you have background in any martial art it is easy to learn i.p. from a video. we do have different things we do to get very good and very fast results,as i think i have demonstrated. so yes,"you people" if you need to can learn i.p. from our video.
Silly white Americans they want to take 4,000 years of culture and do it in 6 months because they have a faster way out on DVD's
whats the world on MA coming to?
I do accupuntcure and medical qigong perhaps I should put out a Video that show how to insert needles into your freinds and family for 19.99!
not to sound like a jerk its just a bad idea there are better way to make a buck then to allow this daming to happen.
I would love to fight a guy who learned vibrating palm in 6 months from a video! LOL
Last edited by EarthDragon; 09-22-2010 at 07:45 AM.
KUNG FU USA
www.eightstepkungfu.com
Teaching traditional Ba Bu Tang Lang (Eight Step Praying Mantis)
Jin Gon Tzu Li Gung (Medical) Qigong
Wu style Taiji Chuan
Teacher always told his students, "You need to have Wude, patient, tolerance, humble, ..." When he died, his last words to his students was, "Remember that the true meaning of TCMA is fierce, poison, and kill."
Callouses are normal developments from repeatedly stressing superficial body tissue. Contusions are common with all ranges of blunt trauma, which striking a surface is. Good luck proving to any sane jury or judge that ***** slapping some bean bags caused liver failure....blindness? So you mean losing your eyesight over the course of say 10-15 years is all on bad IP and has absolutely nothing to do with the normal effects of aging....and your sample for this study was? What about all these blind people cutting me off in traffic did they do IP too? I guess I shouldn't honk at grandma anymore she might cold clock me.
And hey why not? I learned how to do IV's in a couple hours so meh....inserting a needle isn't hard. Crack heads do it all the time. Anatomy is hard...
crackheads dont use needles....
anyways, IV drug addicts absolutely destroy the veins they tap because of their lack of knowledge and the fact that they dont rotate the sites like a nurse would with a longer term IV in a hospital or whatever.... i saw a guy who had his arm amputated because he collapsed a major vein and basically killed his arm... basically if you see a track mark over time, theyre doing it wrong...
SoCo is quote correct in the info he posted.
In the years I have done IP I have monitored it via x-rays and spoken to doctors about it, His link in regards to the anatomical changes is spot on and verifiable.
His mention of runner is also correct and is an analogy that I use many times:
Take a bare footed runner and a runner that uses shoes, x-ray their feet and shin bones and you can see the difference.
I have seen the IP DVD's from 3 different sources and have not found anything wrong or "dangerous" in them.
I have seen people screw up their training UNDER the instruction of a "master", I have seen people do great under video.
It seems that at times, when the responsibility is on US, we tend to be smarter and follow the instructions better.
Of course, some people will always screw things up with the ?more is better" view of things, whether by direct or indirect instruction.
Its a "feel" thing, IP is, and your teacher can't FEEL it for you, in the end, it is up to you.
Rodney,
Let me know when it is ready, I would love to get it for my EXTENSIVE MA library
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Always bragging about the size of his library.
if you train your IP hand properly you DO NOT develop callouses.Callouses are normal developments from repeatedly stressing superficial body tissue. Contusions are common with all ranges of blunt trauma, which striking a surface is. Good luck proving to any sane jury or judge that ***** slapping some bean bags caused liver failure....blindness? So you mean losing your eyesight over the course of say 10-15 years is all on bad IP and has absolutely nothing to do with the normal effects of aging....and your sample for this study was? What about all these blind people cutting me off in traffic did they do IP too? I guess I shouldn't honk at grandma anymore she might cold clock me.
And hey why not? I learned how to do IV's in a couple hours so meh....inserting a needle isn't hard. Crack heads do it all the time. Anatomy is hard...
Contusions should not be the result of IP training.
slapping some bean bags is your idea of IP training?
Does your video explian the function of the luo gong, mingmen, fu zhong shin? all points that need to be properly trained to move the qi to the neccesary points in the palm?
improper training damages the nerve endings in the fingertips which are connected to the meridians of the body which then connect to the internal organs. any basic IP person knows this. And you cant understand that from a DVD
If you are looking to get your law degree from a crackerjack box then you can go ahead and practice law, just dont advertise and try to sell your product to ppl on the internet who know better.
You can buy DVD to learn MA and become a BB but we all know how that is viewed
next you will say that you are willing to sell your jow recipe on the internet LMAO. And if you are seling your recipe than i can assure you its missing some ingredients. I have a 350 year old bone and skin recipe that has been handed down in our system forever do you think if I massed produced it and sold it for 20 bucks to any tom dikc and harry I would include all the REAL ingredients? Come on lets be honest with each other why not ask famous amous for his cookie recipe you migth have a better chance at that.
Last edited by EarthDragon; 09-22-2010 at 09:13 AM.
KUNG FU USA
www.eightstepkungfu.com
Teaching traditional Ba Bu Tang Lang (Eight Step Praying Mantis)
Jin Gon Tzu Li Gung (Medical) Qigong
Wu style Taiji Chuan
Teacher always told his students, "You need to have Wude, patient, tolerance, humble, ..." When he died, his last words to his students was, "Remember that the true meaning of TCMA is fierce, poison, and kill."
to take the anology further with the IV thang... you can learn all the appropriate injection sites and proper handling reletively quickly(not in an hour tho) but it takes alot of experience to be good at it...
who here hasnt been butchered at the lab clinic??? when you get somebody whos really good at it, you notice and its much appreciated...
that carries over intl MA forsure... you can learn to punch in minutes, but it takes alot of practice to have a great punch...
yeah, im against dvd instruction... its ok as a training aid, a record of progression or as a permenent record... but thats it really... to learn from scratch off a dvd is rediculous... sure you could learn some things and even learn them properly sometimes, but the odds are against you and its much more likely that you'll do things wrong and possibly even hurt yourself or somebody else in the process...
yeah but famous amous doesnt put out a bogus cookie to throw competition off... lol
if you wanna keep something secret then obviously you dont sell it... but if you do sell it, you should sell the real thing or nobody will buy it coz it wont work... or not many people will buy it coz it doesnt do much... yaknowhutimsayin???
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