Bajiquan

[Hardwork108]

Not enough to know wushu when you see it.

Perhaps you are the one who cannot differentiate between wu shu and wu shu-esque?

[SPJ]

as pointed out

ba ji stance is more compact or with high horse stance.

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[taai gihk yahn]

Not enough to know wushu when you see it.

Perhaps you are the one who cannot differentiate between wu shu and wu shu-esque?

evidently he can - here's the same form, being done at a wushu tournament - apparently the form you linked to is one of the standardized baji wushu routines (a number of the comments stated the same thing...)

http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/5278195-1130869430.html

here's the same form being done by a "Taoist monk" (apparently baji is BIG at wu dang...)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/782736/ba_ji_quan/

[bawang]

i think those kind of performances take away your dignity. symbolically its the castrated chinaman dancing in celebration of his feminity and inferiority.

[taai gihk yahn]

i think those kind of performances take away your dignity.

[Drake]

i think those kind of performances take away your dignity. symbolically its the castrated chinaman dancing in celebration of his feminity and inferiority.

Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfjzK...eature=related

[Drake]

[bawang]

in these performances the weak man of asia revel and rejoice in his weakness and impotence. the bickering gossip and mind games reflect the chinese kung fu community, a den of tricksters, fornicators and h0m0sexuals

i dont know if you guys know this, but in the ancient times generals blamed the kung fu community for the deaths of tens of thousands of soldiers. if general qi saw those perfformance 500 years ago the performers would have been immediately beheaded

[Drake]

in these performances the weak man of asia revel and rejoice in his weakness and impotence. the bickering gossip and mind games reflect the chinese kung fu community, a den of tricksters, fornicators and h0m0sexuals

i dont know if you guys know this, but in the ancient times generals blamed the kung fu community for the deaths of tens of thousands of soldiers. if general qi saw those perfformance 500 years ago he would have been immediately beheaded

But look where we are now in society...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H5I6y1Qvz0

[Hardwork108]

evidently he can - here's the same form, being done at a wushu tournament - apparently the form you linked to is one of the standardized baji wushu routines (a number of the comments stated the same thing...)

http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/5278195-1130869430.html

here's the same form being done by a "Taoist monk" (apparently baji is BIG at wu dang...)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/782736/ba_ji_quan/

I watched the Wudang one but the other one is taking so long to load that by the time that it loads, David Jamieson and Bawang will have found authentic kung fu schools that actually accept them as students.

Seriously though, I would be interested in Omarthefish's take on these videos and their wushu-ness as in modern performance forms or as wushu-ness as in fighting art forms.

[omarthefish]

Question:

What do you mean by nobody else shouts? Do you mean in Baji or a more broader context?

Answer:

I suppose it's like kiai within the Japanese schools of thought. He means within Bajiquan, since it is stated within the quanpu as part of the system's fundamental theories.

evidently he can - here's the same form, being done at a wushu tournament - apparently the form you linked to is one of the standardized baji wushu routines (a number of the comments stated the same thing...)

http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/5278195-1130869430.html

here's the same form being done by a "Taoist monk" (apparently baji is BIG at wu dang...)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/782736/ba_ji_quan/

Yep. I've been to quite a number or those which is why I could recognize the demo from the opening post immediately as a modern standardized form. I emphasized "standardized because that's the key point, not "wushu". Inside of China, "wushu" doesn't so narrowly refer to modern standardized MA. Traditional forms in China are often referred to a "traditional wushu". What we call "wushu", the mainland Chinese call "modern wushu". The basic meaning of the word "wushu" after all, just means "martial arts".

Omar what do you think about Zhou Jingxuan's Bajiquan? What lineage is he from also?

Just sheer curiosity.

Cheers,

-V

To copy and past from a post I made back on page 3:

Zhou Jingxuan:
His stuff comes from Wu Xiufeng, a close relation to the Wu family. I love his speed and explosiveness but again, lots of Pigua in his stuff. He also lacks the kind of really heavy, solid root that the Wu-Tan guys tend to get so well. Just for his speed alone though he makes my list of favorite 3 or 5 online Baji performers.

Edit:
Wu Xiufeng obviously is part of the Wu family. I mean he is a close relation to Wu Lianzhi.

[omarthefish]

More "excellent" Bajiquan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR9tEzAbLU0

Purple velvet pajamas on the right is my Shifu...at 70 years old.

I'm the one in the middle at the back of the group.

[Hardwork108]

Question:

Answer:



Yep. I've been to quite a number or those which is why I could recognize the demo from the opening post immediately as a modern standardized form. I emphasized "standardized because that's the key point, not "wushu". Inside of China, "wushu" doesn't so narrowly refer to modern standardized MA. Traditional forms in China are often referred to a "traditional wushu". What we call "wushu", the mainland Chinese call "modern wushu". The basic meaning of the word "wushu" after all, just means "martial arts".


To copy and past from a post I made back on page 3:
Edit:
Wu Xiufeng obviously is part of the Wu family. I mean he is a close relation to Wu Lianzhi.

Very interesting take and thank you.

I am just curious why on a Chinese site the videos posted by Taai Gihk Yahn were referred to as Wushu and not modern Wushu?

[omarthefish]

Cuz those clips were both from mainlaind China. Inside of China, nobody really cares. "Wushu", to a PRC Chinese dude just means "martial arts". "Modern" and "traditional" are just adjectives you can add to be more specific. In general, colloquial Chinese speech, it's all just "wushu".

[Hardwork108]

Cuz those clips were both from mainlaind China. Inside of China, nobody really cares. "Wushu", to a PRC Chinese dude just means "martial arts". "Modern" and "traditional" are just adjectives you can add to be more specific. In general, colloquial Chinese speech, it's all just "wushu".

Oh, I see.....