Originally Posted by
ShaolinDan
Kung fu is what it means. It's not about quick results, it's about a higher end.
if you had some sense of the socio-historical context of why this belief permeates, you might realize how funny it is to hear you (and others) proclaim it as if they actually understood it...as far as a "higher end", what,exactly would that be in your estimation? are you shooting for your Shen bursting out of your 10,000 Meetings point? or are you looking for finally ending the cycle of death and rebirth? if so, you better polish that stone a little less...
Originally Posted by
ShaolinDan
Why spend so much time drilling? So you're not a sloppy fighter (or a sloppy person).
no; the way to not be a sloppy fighter is to fight and receive correction about how you function in that context
Originally Posted by
ShaolinDan
Techniques don't work for you? maybe you need to drill them more.
or maybe you need different techniques, or better strategy, or better conditioning
Originally Posted by
ShaolinDan
Kung fu is about cultivation. Not about a quick fix. When people ask me about my school I say, 'If you want to learn to fight ASAP we are the wrong place for you. But, if you want to spend the rest of your life with always something new to learn and eventually become better than you ever thought possible, then you should check us out.' Well, it's not exactly what I say, but that's 'cause I talk too much. But that's how it is.
this is quite the conceit - the sub-text implication is that you are better than others who want a "quick fix"; tell you what - next time you have your arm ripped off in a thresher or systemic sepsis, when you go to the hospital, and they offer you the "quick fix", try to remember that it's about cultivation...
Originally Posted by
ShaolinDan
I don't care if I don't have videos. I don't care if you don't believe me. I've seen real kung fu and it is very very very NICE. I know I'm not the only one here. (We're everywhere!)Even at my pitiful beginner's level I have gotten much more from my training than I ever expected to when I decided to take up MA again.
that's awesome - why then do you feel the need to project your experience in a generalized manner?
Originally Posted by
ShaolinDan
You get what you give...you have to give more to KF than MMMA (Modern Mixed...), but over time the equation holds. (I've given a lot more than I expected too also, but it's so worth it)
aside from what you personally perceive as being worth it, which no one can say as being otherwise, that's just a ridiculous, biased statement with no basis in reality
Originally Posted by
ShaolinDan
It's all about whether you want to take the time to reach that higher level, or just want to be BAD ASAP.
more elitist conceit
Originally Posted by
ShaolinDan
Me, I was BAD before I started training.
Now that I've seen some real kung fu, I'm a super wimp. I've got a whole different standard now. It's going to take a long time and a lot of hard work to get where I'm going.
if that is the medicine you need, then take it; for others, it may not be;
Originally Posted by
ShaolinDan
I think it's an absolute joke that this post seems relevant to me. It's basically a 'what's kung fu' post. But somehow it seems like it needs to be addressed again.
Hello? Anyone out there? Do you actually read any of the posts? There's a number of really great kung fu guys on this forum (at least as far as their writing on the subject goes). Open your eyes or ... I won't say it.
you seem to be in a awful hurry to "teach" - what happened to being a beginner and having to cutivate a "long time"?
Originally Posted by
ShaolinDan
Kung fu= skill over time. This means more basics less sparring. (not none, less. You can understand that, right?) the idea is not to turn into another sloppy scrapper...which is apparently the only real martial artist around.
again, more ridiculousness - your subjective perspective is in direct opposition to a large body of objective research regarding motor skill acquisition; the way to get better at basics, is to practice basics; the way to get better at sparring is to practice sparring, but under appropriate conditions;
Originally Posted by
ShaolinDan
What a joke. Flame on. (Or better yet, go post a poem on my thread in the qigong/meditation forum)
Disclaimer: MMA is Awesome. Sparring/'live' training is critical. Kung fu still rocks your world.
really...I don't want to hear your response...just read and move along. go post a poem please.
you may want to have your teacher regulate some of your internal practice, it seems to be playing havoc with your cortical processing;
as for a poem:
I grow old … I grow old …
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.
Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
I do not think that they will sing to me.
I have seen them riding seaward on the waves
Combing the white hair of the waves blown back
When the wind blows the water white and black.
We have lingered in the chambers of the sea
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
Till human voices wake us, and we drown.
- excerpt from "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock", T.S. Eliot