The MMA Fad

[lkfmdc]

LMFAO at anyone who thinks the Gracies didn't fight absolutely NO RULES

Renzo put out publicly a tape where his brother bites a guy's ear completely off. In fact, he put out a pile of footage with absolutely no rules

[San Soo Sifu]

Well, everyone can debate what the Gracie family did, or did not do, in Brazil. If you want to make bold statements about what any of the Gracie family members did do; whether it be in America or Brazil, please provide URL link or YouTube link for the rest of us to watch. Watching someone's ear getting bitten off should provide hours of family-fun entertainment. As well as Jason Delucia getting beat on (other than in UFC 2) for an attempted eye gouge, behind a closed door challenge match. I will be sure to pop the popcorn, and grab a cold one (or two).

The quote I highlighted (and was responding to) said "MMA" not "NHB" nor "underground, unsanctioned, pit fighting."

Now it's MMA, but with the significance being, the Gracies put their money where their mouths were and pompously challenged the world of MA and allowed everything in their fights, including biting, eye gouging, nut strikes, pressure points, etc.

A very subtle; yet highly important, distinction. Therefore, my facts stand as outlined.

[Frost]

Well, everyone can debate what the Gracie family did, or did not do, in Brazil. If you want to make bold statements about what any of the Gracie family members did do; whether it be in America or Brazil, please provide URL link or YouTube link for the rest of us to watch. Watching someone's ear getting bitten off should provide hours of family-fun entertainment. As well as Jason Delucia getting beat on (other than in UFC 2) for an attempted eye gouge, behind a closed door challenge match. I will be sure to pop the popcorn, and grab a cold one (or two).

The quote I highlighted (and was responding to) said "MMA" not "NHB" nor "underground, unsanctioned, pit fighting."

A very subtle; yet highly important, distinction. Therefore, my facts stand as outlined.

actually the quote you responded to was

the Gracies put their money where their mouths were and pompously challenged the world of MA and allowed everything in their fights, including biting, eye gouging, nut strikes, pressure points, etc

Which is true, all you have to do is read their public challanges in their old magazines or watch any of their challange matches

[gunbeatskroty]

Well, everyone can debate what the Gracie family did, or did not do, in Brazil. If you want to make bold statements about what any of the Gracie family members did do; whether it be in America or Brazil, please provide URL link or YouTube link for the rest of us to watch. Watching someone's ear getting bitten off should provide hours of family-fun entertainment. As well as Jason Delucia getting beat on (other than in UFC 2) for an attempted eye gouge, behind a closed door challenge match. I will be sure to pop the popcorn, and grab a cold one (or two).

Here are 2 videos where, interestingly enough, it was two Kung-Fu fighters that tried to eye gouge. Which explains why the one grappler made sure he popped the KF's elbow in a loud, painful crack (instead of giving him time to tap). And how Gracie decides to punch out DeLucia instead of choking him out (as punishment for using anti-rape tactics). I mean, c'mon....if you're trying to represent Kung-Fu as some sort of master and you end up eye gouging like some screaming lady being groped in a parking lot after a long day of shopping....what does that say? Where's the honor in fighting? It's not like Gracie's going to kill him or rape him. Does anyone even need to pay money to train how to eye gouge, bite or squeeze nuts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIn3nQbobtE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjK0g-cDJI4

And if you're going to complain about the video quality, then I can't help you with that b/c this was in the late 80's where a giant VHS consumer (not pro) quality camcorder cost like $2,000 and they're not exactly rich in Brazil neither.

The quote I highlighted (and was responding to) said "MMA" not "NHB" nor "underground, unsanctioned, pit fighting."

A very subtle; yet highly important, distinction. Therefore, my facts stand as outlined.

Your facts are completely FALSE because you've quoted the rules for the EARLY UFC's that you've found on Wikipedia and now trying to tell us that this is somehow also the rules imposed on the Gracies in BRAZIL? How the heck is this even logical?

It is a fact that the Gracie's issued this challenge to all styles of Martial Artists and many answered the call. The good news is, many of these martial artists didn't resort to biting, eye gouging, nut squeezing, etc... they fought and lost with HONOR & DIGNITY. Who the hell wants to be caught on video as that guy who grabbed for some dude's nutsack in a fight? What student would stay with you if you've done that. If you can only win fights by using lady's anti-rape techniques, then why bother training any martial arts at all? Just go to Jenny Craig's anti-rape seminars where you can yell "NO" while kicking some padded up dude in his nuts all day.

[wiz cool c]

The same can be said about KF in the 70's and early 80's after Enter the Dragon became a hit and everyone jumped on the Bruce Lee KF bandwagon. Then it was TKD and their McDojos in the late 80's to early 90's.

Now it's MMA, but with the significance being, the Gracies put their money where their mouths were and pompously challenged the world of MA and allowed everything in their fights, including biting, eye gouging, nut strikes, pressure points, etc. Then UFC 1-4 was pretty eye opening and IMO, revolutionized MA.

People can train in MA for w/e reasons they want. Personally for me, I want train for fitness & competition. I want to test my skills in an all out battle. I like to spar hard. I don't care to learn about the Asian culture nor learning fancy Asian words for a hip throw, or w/e...especially when I'm paying $150/month tuition in a 1 year contract. English is my primary language. Just call it a hip throw and teach me something else. I'm already Asian and don't want to learn Japanese, Chinese, Thai, w/e. I'm none of these Asians, and I don't have an Asian fetish like some non-Asians do. That's one of the reasons I left this one Traditional Jiu-Jitsu school... these Whiteguys kept insisting that I learn the freaking Japanese term for each technique. It's **** hard.

I like MMA b/c there's less fluff. We warm up, we learn drill techniques and then we spar. 90 minutes w/very little rest. Then there are fights and competitions just about every 2 months to test what really works.

if all this is true why are you here on a kf magazine forum

[gunbeatskroty]

if all this is true why are you here on a kf magazine forum

I came here initially to get advice on weapons training.

But notice how I'm posting my main preference being MMA on the MMA section and not the KF specific section.

And I'm responding directly towards your comment about MMA being a fad with the argument that the same can be said about Kung Fu during the Bruce Lee years. Is there a problem with this?

[monji112000]

Not true at all. The facts are...

1. Eye gouging was/is NEVER allowed.
2. Biting was/is NEVER allowed.
3. (No fish hooking became a by-product of no biting, i.e. don't stick your fingers in my mouth if I cannot bite them off.)
4. Groin strikes were NOT allowed in UFC 1; but then they were allowed starting in UFC 2. Watch Keith Hackney pound the groin of Joe Son in UFC 4. Athletic supporters with banana cups were allowed to be worn. Groin strikes were/are NOT allowed again from UFC 14 to the present.

Sources:
1. My excellent memory (and when my memory fails me)...
2. Google, and...
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimat...g_Championship

If you go back and watch the original UFC matches there were stuff going on that was not allowed. I remember a frank abbot fight were he fish hooked and blood was going everywhere. The fact remains that you can do all the "dirty" tactics, no problem.. but if I'm in control of the fight, and I can also do the same tactics who do you think is going to win?? Great try and poke me in the eye when you can't move. The Gracies were known for using any means necessary when taking on "special" challengers. Everyone likes to talk S*** about the Gracies but they stepped up.

[wiz cool c]

I came here initially to get advice on weapons training.

But notice how I'm posting my main preference being MMA on the MMA section and not the KF specific section.

And I'm responding directly towards your comment about MMA being a fad with the argument that the same can be said about Kung Fu during the Bruce Lee years. Is there a problem with this?

MMA is cool if you like it ,like i said before my last shuai jiao coach is a pro MMA fighter. What is getting silly are the people here on a kung fu message forum saying all esle is a waste of time. And that is what is making it the flavor of the week club.To come on a kung fu forum and say kung fu is a waste of time a little bit foolish don't you think. if you are so hardcore just go to sherdog.

[monji112000]

MMA is cool if you like it ,like i said before my last shuai jiao coach is a pro MMA fighter. What is getting silly are the people here on a kung fu message forum saying all esle is a waste of time. And that is what is making it the flavor of the week club.To come on a kung fu forum and say kung fu is a waste of time a little bit foolish don't you think. if you are so hardcore just go to sherdog.

everyone is a pro fighter now adays. Hell I could be a pro fighter.. when amateur MMA is none-existent then its easy.. all you got to do is sign up.

[gunbeatskroty]

MMA is cool if you like it ,like i said before my last shuai jiao coach is a pro MMA fighter. What is getting silly are the people here on a kung fu message forum saying all esle is a waste of time. And that is what is making it the flavor of the week club.To come on a kung fu forum and say kung fu is a waste of time a little bit foolish don't you think. if you are so hardcore just go to sherdog.

No, you made a comment about how MMA is the current fad. I am responding directly to your comment. Don't try to change the subject.

[gunbeatskroty]

everyone is a pro fighter now adays. Hell I could be a pro fighter.. when amateur MMA is none-existent then its easy.. all you got to do is sign up.

Yea, no kidding. I was coached by Mr. Perfect, Ernesto Hoost.....a world renown kickboxing champion & legend. Sparred with him too. Of course, I paid the $85 for those seminars...but yea, I can technically say that he coached me for about 90 seconds 1 on 1.

There's a bunch of pro fighters at our gym that I spar with. Now I can say on my resume...."Sparring partner for pros, including Ernesto Hoost". One of our MT instructors is a pro fighter, so I guess I'm being coached by a pro MMA fighter as well, yay.

[wiz cool c]

No, you made a comment about how MMA is the current fad. I am responding directly to your comment. Don't try to change the subject.

ok tough guy

[gunbeatskroty]

ok tough guy

Why are you getting so defensive. You say you write for a magazine, then shouldn't you be able to support your assertions?

If indeed that you write for MA mags, then I find it very irresponsible for you to call MMA a fad when it's been around for OVER 17 years now ever since UFC ONE. And has continued to grow and dominating the MA world with no signs of fading out.

Kung Fu was never this big, despite the millions of Run Run Shaw KF movies of the 70's & 80's. If you want to talk about fads, consider what Enter the Dragon and Bruce Lee did for Kung-Fu. A spectacular movie and a spectacular movie star (yet questionable fighter) who sought to specifically bring KF into the White mainstream. And Bruce Lee was certainly successful at doing so. What movies does MMA have? All MMA movies sucks. There's no MMA movie star. If anything, the popularity of MMA all came about through pure merit in the octagon vs. KF being greatly helped by Hollywood and the ongoing, everlasting....never ending KF movies coming out of Hong Kong.

[Syn7]

I think thing have gotten a little out of hand here. MMA we all know is a great sport and has taught us all some valuable lessons. But let's all get a grip on reality here. All the people who go to commercial schools,have a day job,are over 35,majority of females,senior citizens,don't want to train in or compete in MMA or full contact. But according to some here they are wasting their time, and should quit doing froms, and fight full contact in the ring hit pads only, do hard contact sparring regularly.

First off all the people who train in martial arts for health and fitness,should what quit doing what they are doing and fight full contact? All the old ladys in the park doing tai Chi shuold stop wasting their time and get on the mat. Put on some 12 oz gloves and do hard contact. And all the 9 year olds doing kata, should stop that **** and have some mma bouts,their parents will be so proud.

I have been living in china close to 5 years now, and i will tell you almost no kung fu people here fight or spar, unless they are professionals. They don't have the time or need for it here. there are very few violent crimes here and people aren't physically aggressive here. Ok but america is a different story, there is crime and people do fight. So what to do.

What about people who want to learn self defence? Well not only people from 20 to 35 who are top notch athletes want to be able to protect themselfs from a violent criminal. So what then? Well all martial artist should do some sparring, in my opinion at least. to what level of intesity is up for debate. So what to do then.Well one they can get in the best shape possible for their age and body types. Do some contact training and learn those useless techniques people keep talking about. Weapons,vital area strikes,dirty fighting are valuable for the street. How do i know? Cause I have used them,and guess what ,I also do sports Judo and shuai jiao. Train in and compete.

Steven K Hayes the Ninja guy once said "not everyone can be an athlete ,but everyone can learn how to defend themselves".and also people who want to do exercise,have the right to. And then there is the point of just doing what you like to do. Unless you are Hilter reincarnated,leading us to a new world order,who give a f45k if you think all people should quit doing froms and train your way.

its ok to do flowery forms for health... just dont commit fraud by calling it effective self defence... if somebody is really serious about self defence they have to spar, they have to hit pads.... if all they want is a nice physique and good lungs, then yeah, rock on witcha bad selves, do all the flowery bullsh!t you want...

[Syn7]

Kung Fu was never this big, despite the millions of Run Run Shaw KF movies of the 70's & 80's. If you want to talk about fads, consider what Enter the Dragon and Bruce Lee did for Kung-Fu. A spectacular movie and a spectacular movie star (yet questionable fighter) who sought to specifically bring KF into the White mainstream. And Bruce Lee was certainly successful at doing so. What movies does MMA have? All MMA movies sucks. There's no MMA movie star. If anything, the popularity of MMA all came about through pure merit in the octagon vs. KF being greatly helped by Hollywood and the ongoing, everlasting....never ending KF movies coming out of Hong Kong.

can i get a witness!!!!!!!!!!!!!

truth hurts...