if he isn't doing what YOU think then that's a good thing ! fool.Originally Posted by t_niehoff
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if he isn't doing what YOU think then that's a good thing ! fool.
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I can tell you one thing. When someone has nothing but scores of demo clips like that and not a single one of any actual full-contact fighting, there is very little fighting application coming out of that school.
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No mate! You're waiting to see if anyone has YOUR answer
No point in me sharing what I know as you will dismiss it anyway! It's all a bit boring to be fair. Must be something to do with you Chu Family guys?
Or is it Hendrik Jr now?
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What does it matter if I dismiss it or not? Do you think that unless I pat you on the back and say "well done" that you shouldn't share your view? Do you want and expect praise?No mate! You're waiting to see if anyone has YOUR answer
No point in me sharing what I know as you will dismiss it anyway! It's all a bit boring to be fair. Must be something to do with you Chu Family guys?
Or is it Hendrik Jr now?
This is a forum to discuss WCK. I asked a very simple question. I think there has been some very good points already made here by Vankuen, YungChun, and LSWCTN1. They are in many ways in line with my view.
I'll wait and see if anything more comes in before I post my view. But see if this helps -- why do I not need an open line or care about opening lines for my jik chung choi?
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I would never expect anything like that from you T.
Because, as our fist is one of our signatures, once drilled it's designed to thrust through anything and everything
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That's right! Well done, sir.Because, as our fist is one of our signatures, once drilled it's designed to thrust through anything and everything
The jik chung choi destroys whatever it makes contact with, including an opponent's bridge, his body structure, etc.
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not unless it is more powerfull then what ever it is trying to move.
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That's right! Well done, sir.
The jik chung choi destroys whatever it makes contact with, including an opponent's bridge, his body structure, etc.On to lesson 2!
"It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own." -Cicero
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So the key is in how you drill your fistwork?
Put the knife in your hand (a heavy pair!) and start from there as there will be no room for errors!
Well, you have to excuse me now.That's right! Well done, sir.
I'm going to faint
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Well if it was that simple we didnt have to learn anything else then the punch now did we
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Exactly. That's what Chain Punching is for - it teaches us to 'chain' our movements together. If my attack gets stopped, I've got options.Well if it was that simple we didnt have to learn anything else then the punch now did we
“An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.” – Friedrich Engels
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We don't have Tok Sau so I can't comment.........
The purpose of Chum kiu is to teach one a method of fighting in the most economical way and be direct to the target.
The bridge is the path to your opponent. Is that what you mean????
Many people think that Chum Kiu is about making contact with a bridge (forearms) and controlling them. That way is not good for fighting and why so many misinterpreted systems of WC are pants IMO.
If your opponent doesnt allow you to make contact with his arms that method falls flat on its ass. I'd rather adopt an approach where we learn how to fight the person NOT the arms.
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Seeking a bridge doesn't have to mean seeking an arm...
If the guy is wide open hit him--make the bridge. 'If there is no bridge make one..'--KK
Rarely, is the opponent wide open and you attack without any arm contact...
I'm not saying you mean doing this but; Striking, encountering an obstruction, and retracting from that contact in favor of chain punching IMO is questionable use of Chun tactics and not very good use of them at that.. See the Jong...
While there are times to make small disengagements to return to the line like JouSao/Da normally major disengagements/retractions from a direct obstruction (retract change lines, repeat) is considered an error in Chun or low level Chun..
This does seem to be problematic at times since most modern fighters rarely hold the line. So in these cases how much supplementary (two handed) 'control' one uses may vary..IMO.
Look, if someone says, hey that works better for me (using more two handed control) then that's fine so long as the primary goal is to break them down while/with striking.. In any case, the punch should be driven by body power not arm/shoulder power and break them down one way or another...
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See what about the Jong?????????????????????????????
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What do you see and how does it relate to the subject?See what about the Jong?????????????????????????????
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Considering the massive difference in opinion here I would guess that my idea of the jong is different to yours brother so no point in responding unless you wish to be more specific.
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