Okay hot shots, name the techniques that are banned

[Watchman]

...and does the restriction apply to the ring-card girls? :confused:

[Daniel Madar]

Oh, wait, this is competition!

So, yes, there is a technique that I, and I presume many other bagua stylists train in that is specifically excluded. And it's one of my favorites!

:P

[Boulder Student]

Are you talking about my request for no mouth boxing? Well, the way I see it mouth boxing with a ring girl would be a technique best demonstrated after the fight. I don't think the rules prohibit it if it's consensual.

One must toughen up without losing one's tenderness.

[Watchman]

It was both in reference to that, and to Art T's concern over groin techniques. :eek: One must weigh all his options. :D

[Boulder Student]

How does Bagua's elbow to the spine work? Are you standing? Is your opponent on the ground or standing? What is the set up? Could you apply it without killing or maiming you opponent?

One must toughen up without losing one's tenderness.

[old jong]

Fighters who relies more on precision than boxing type power are penalised by having to wear paddings on their hands.They can't use their nuckles on specific targets.

C'est la vie!

[chokeyouout]

Logic is irrelevant in kung fu.

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[old jong]

There must be more logical places elsewere? :rolleyes:...UH?...

C'est la vie!

[OdderMensch]

that would be banned

1. cup jarn, a third form point of elbow attack to the soft stucture of the face.

2. Pi jarn : a 2nd form point of elbow attack

3. Fak sau : while not banned is normaly targeted to the neck same for

4. "pal choi"

5. bil sao, and

6. lan sau

7. whle i know of no name my best takedown counter for a shoot low invovs an elbow to the back of neck/spine so thats out

8. ti gerk targeted to groin

9. ti sut same

I notice that limb destuction/small joint manipulation is not specificly prohibited.
so thats nice

10. and this is the bigggie Ti kuen!

I say ti kuen is the biggie because a sport bout dissalows early stikes, and finishing your opponent. If it was a real "fight" then from the moment I knew a fight was unavoidable (presumably at least a month in advance) WC says I should close and finish the fight. I think the best time would be durring that pre fight meeting at least a week in advance. As soon as i see the guy <BAM!> ti kuen then start chainpunching and elbows, he should never know what hit him.

[Budokan]

BWAHAHAHAHA! This is the perfect place for this troll thread. :D

Look, there goes another tumbleweed...!

K. Mark Hoover

[Tigerstyle]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I knew a fight was unavoidable (presumably at least a month in advance) WC says I should close and finish the fight. I think the best time would be durring that pre fight meeting at least a week in advance. As soon as i see the guy ti kuen then start chainpunching and elbows, he should never know what hit him.[/quote]LOL! Great strategy!

I think two things that would inhibit a KF fighter (as well as most strikers) is point-of-the-elbow strikes and kicking the head of a downed opponent. I totally understand that they are prohibited for safety reasons, but it still does hamper a striker. Pedro Rizzo could have beat Randy Coture in round 2 last Friday if the head kicks rule wasn't there (Then again, Coture would have won in Round 1 if the time limit was any longer than 5 minutes ;) ). Rizzo fought his instinct to kick the head when Coture dropped to his knees, which caused a bit of hesitation.

Not as "all-important", but still possibly effective: Small-joint manipulation. These weren't mentioned in the rules you posted, but many MMA/NHB events ban them. These aren't fight enders, but they definitely allow a way to escape certain holds/locks as well as possibly set up other moves (as a distraction, for example).

chokeyouout,
What happened to make you so bitter sounding (or is it bitter reading since it is text :) )? When you first started posting here, I was thinking, "Cool, a respectful BJJ guy willing to share his knowledge." I come back today after a week of not visiting here, and I read these anti-kung fu posts from you that sound like they're typed straight from the fingers of rolls/gaiden/verder or jjj (no offense, jjj. You're one of my favorites here, but you know how you are :p ).

Are you just being sarcastic, or has the "anti-NHB/BJJ/grappling in retaliation to the anti-kung fu" attitude truly gotten to you? Please tell me I'm worrying over nothing.

[JWTAYLOR]

"Kicks to the head of a downed fighter", "striking with the point of the elbow", "Groin Techniques", "Kicks to the front of the knee", "Striking to the throat".

So, if I wanted to open with a jab to the throat, stepping through with my back leg to knee to the groin or kick to the knee, and then throw the elbow to the temple for a knockdown (or a throw if you use TTC brush knee twist). Then proceed to stomp my opponent in the head until he was unconcious, then EVERY SINGLE MOVEMENT in that entire series (each found in both American Kenpo and Chang style Tai Chi) would be illegal. I know Baguazhang uses those moves allot too.

BTW, I am totally for MMA competitions such as the UFC and Pride, and believe that any quality martial art should be able to adapt to the rules listed above. But, the arts must be adapted for the ring, which does, in and of itself, put the individual using that art at at slight disadvantage. Training for that environment would remove such a disadvantage.

JW

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

[8stepsifu]

Luckilly, I've still got more, but If I fight the way I train I will be doing groin shots.


What about Iron Head kung fu training? Thats out. Iron Palm...still ok, but you can't slap their neck, so it's harder to knock them out.

They can shoot and one of the most potent deterents...the elbow is outlawed along with kicking to the front knee.

Thats BS. I normally never complain about this stuff, but the "no rules" competition is just as crippling as sport tkd. Whats next? No striking on the head?

don't worry be happy

[JWTAYLOR]

Oh, what about the famous "karate chop". When done correctly, this is a VERY effective knockdown/knockout technique.

Probabbly the most recognized Karate technique there is. The target is the carotid(sp?) and interior jugular.

Illegal.

JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

[chokeyouout]

It was considered troll bait by myself.Unfortunately, it hurt the moderators feelings.

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