Lama Pai, Hop Gar, Bak Hok

[PM]

some excellent info here guys, thnx!

[taai gihk yahn]

You know, the funny thing, really, is that people from my actual tradition clearly see us applying the Lion's Roar technique in our fights and teachings (for example David Chin, David Rogers, etc)

hmmmm, interesting how EVERYONE is named David...

[Violent Designs]

[jdhowland]

hmmmm, interesting how EVERYONE is named David...

"These are the Daves I know, I know. These are the Daves I know..."

Who here is old enough to get that reference?

I'll change my name to David if the Steves will. Y'know, might as well join the club.

[taai gihk yahn]

"These are the Daves I know, I know. These are the Daves I know..."

Who here is old enough to get that reference?

I'll change my name to David if the Steves will. Y'know, might as well join the club.

Actually "Steve" is a valid subset name for studying Lama w CTS...

[lkfmdc]

We are all Dave, we have all been assimilated into the one Dave

(or, alternately, "Dave's not here man")

[sanjuro_ronin]

"These are the Daves I know, I know. These are the Daves I know..."

Who here is old enough to get that reference?

I'll change my name to David if the Steves will. Y'know, might as well join the club.

"...some of them are Davids but most of them are Daves, we all have the same name but come from different moms..."

[jdhowland]

Actually "Steve" is a valid subset name for studying Lama w CTS...

That's who I had in mind. Maybe, since I'm not a CTS student or in the Dang lineage I should not presume to Steverage or to become one with the Dave.

I have Kwan/Quentin and Quintin in my lineage. I'll change my name to Quint.

[jdhowland]

"...some of them are Davids but most of them are Daves, we all have the same name but come from different moms..."

You got it!

[TenTigers]

Our punches tend to be longer range than traditional boxing. We use a different energy ("ging"). We throw them at different angles, and with different footwork.

HOWEVER, I believe that the other hand MUST protect the face/jaw/chin so you will NOT see the "flailing"

Very similar to how we train as well. The long arm strikes are more extended, to develop the power generation and alignments, but in practice the chin is guarded.
Beginners get a bit confused, but it all comes together in time.
Funny..people have asked me if we do Hop-Ga or Choy Li Fut.....

[lkfmdc]

people have asked me if we do Hop-Ga or Choy Li Fut.....

well, the answer is "yes", because you do

[TenTigers]

well, the answer is "yes", because you do

pretty much on point.
The element punches in Hung-Ga come directly from Hop-Ga through Wong Yun-Lum. Some say WYL also influenced CLF. I agree. With all the challenge fights he had, I am in no doubt.
Couple that with the fact that my previous teachers did CLF, (one Sifu actually wanted me to teach CLF rather than Hung-Ga...)as did their teachers..and that my Si-Hing teaches CLF..you could say that my Hung-Ga is heavily flavored with CLF.
My brother, David Rogers has also had a strong influence...he has always been very generous in sharing his Hop-Ga with me.
So, yeah...I'm a mutt.

[jdhowland]

[QUOTE=TenTigers:So, yeah...I'm a mutt.[/QUOTE]

The best of breeds.

[jdhowland]

Does this mean Fu Hok Seuhng Ying gets added to the list?

There aren't many lama stylists on board so this thread will fizzle out pretty soon.
Since I really like the subject I'll cheat and throw in an "honorable mention:"

Hop Ga's Dai Johng Mui Fa. Not essential technique-wise although it does add more footwork than is found in the typical line drills. But a huge part of the system is strengthening and conditioning and this is a good example. Beginners learn this on the floor with no equipment. Later you add the plum flower stakes (this one is done on a pattern of nine posts). Full tilt boogie is to do this with heavy wooden weights, the muhk yih pai.

Be well, Quint

[htowndragon]

look at youtube, my classmates have put up videos of hop gar's dan mui form